http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/10/world-war-ii-surviving-doolittle-raiders-make-final-toast/ Some folks you may not have known..................
Old flyers and heroes
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There's a reason for the term "The Greatest Generation".
A few years ago I read an article stating that soon we will no longer have anyone that can give a first hand account of anything that happened in WWII. Guess I never realized just how close to that day we are.
God speed, gentlemen.
A few years ago I read an article stating that soon we will no longer have anyone that can give a first hand account of anything that happened in WWII. Guess I never realized just how close to that day we are.
God speed, gentlemen.
My Dad and all his WW2 buddies are gone, Im 67, so yes, that WW2 group is just about all gone.................we get older, so go do something exciting while you can, sell your junk, no one takes it with you when you go and it winds up at a flea market anyway...never saw anyone buried with their car, their basement oil collection, their silver dollars, their knife collection,their old rusted cars in the backyard they never fixed up....u know. PS, near the end, charge up your credit cards, its a thought...
Launching on a mission with B-25s from a carrier deck...it hadn't been tried before...into an unknown threat, with unknown odds of survival and the only certainty is that they were launching too far away to make it to the planned landing fields in China, so they were going to crash or ditch. But launch they did, because it was important, stratgically, militarily, and for the folks back home, and they launched early to give the fleet that delivered them the best chance of getting out of Japanese territory.
Heroes. The word is overused, but those guys are heroes.
Heroes. The word is overused, but those guys are heroes.
My dad is 88. He's in a place that cares for Alzheimer's patients. He spent ww2 in the phililipines. He still talks about chasing philipino girls though.
I has been my experience that in combat, the cream will rise and the mavericks will step up and do the mission. Often time when the war is over the "warriors" are thrown aside because they are no longer PC. Check out Gen Dugan in Desert Storm
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Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
Not something to celebrate.
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
Originally Posted By: Astro14
they launched early to give the fleet that delivered them the best chance of getting out of Japanese territory.
They launched early because they were sighted by a picket boat No 23 Nitto Maru, which got off radio warnings, before they reached the launch point.
they launched early to give the fleet that delivered them the best chance of getting out of Japanese territory.
They launched early because they were sighted by a picket boat No 23 Nitto Maru, which got off radio warnings, before they reached the launch point.
Unfortunately, the attacks on cities in Japan (including this) did little (no pun intended) to end the war. Most soldiers were outside of the Japanese mainland anyway, leaving women, elderly and children who were the victims of U.S. attacks.
Before I get flamed for this, I mean no disrespect to anyone, especially those who serve. I DO think we need to come to terms with some of the unsavory things people do in wartimes.
Before I get flamed for this, I mean no disrespect to anyone, especially those who serve. I DO think we need to come to terms with some of the unsavory things people do in wartimes.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
3 dead,
8 POWs (4 died in captivity: 3 executed, 1 by disease)
15 B-25s
250,000 Chinese (estimated)
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
3 dead,
8 POWs (4 died in captivity: 3 executed, 1 by disease)
15 B-25s
250,000 Chinese (estimated)
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
3 dead,
8 POWs (4 died in captivity: 3 executed, 1 by disease)
15 B-25s
250,000 Chinese (estimated)
Originally Posted By: from your Wiki reference
Compared with the future devastating Boeing B-29 Superfortress attacks against Japan, the Doolittle raid did little material damage, readily repaired. Eight primary and five secondary targets were struck. In Tokyo, the targets included an oil tank farm, a steel mill, and several power plants. In Yokosuka, at least one bomb from the B-25 piloted by Lt. Edgar E. McElroy struck the nearly completed IJN aircraft carrier Ryūhō,[19] delaying her launch until November. Six schools and an army hospital were also hit. Japanese officials reported the two aircraft whose crews were captured had struck their targets.[28]
I'm sure you were quoting statistics for the entire war, not just this little raid at the beginning.
War, and fighting, make no sense, unless you are fighting for a cause and have been wronged by another. I think we can agree that Japan wronged the US in 1941, and Germany wronged most of Europe starting in 1939.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
3 dead,
8 POWs (4 died in captivity: 3 executed, 1 by disease)
15 B-25s
250,000 Chinese (estimated)
Originally Posted By: from your Wiki reference
Compared with the future devastating Boeing B-29 Superfortress attacks against Japan, the Doolittle raid did little material damage, readily repaired. Eight primary and five secondary targets were struck. In Tokyo, the targets included an oil tank farm, a steel mill, and several power plants. In Yokosuka, at least one bomb from the B-25 piloted by Lt. Edgar E. McElroy struck the nearly completed IJN aircraft carrier Ryūhō,[19] delaying her launch until November. Six schools and an army hospital were also hit. Japanese officials reported the two aircraft whose crews were captured had struck their targets.[28]
I'm sure you were quoting statistics for the entire war, not just this little raid at the beginning.
War, and fighting, make no sense, unless you are fighting for a cause and have been wronged by another. I think we can agree that Japan wronged the US in 1941, and Germany wronged most of Europe starting in 1939.
^^those numbers are *way* too low for the war, obviously. The Chinese listed are those killed by the Japanese for aiding American bombers.
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
3 dead,
8 POWs (4 died in captivity: 3 executed, 1 by disease)
15 B-25s
250,000 Chinese (estimated)
Originally Posted By: from your Wiki reference
Compared with the future devastating Boeing B-29 Superfortress attacks against Japan, the Doolittle raid did little material damage, readily repaired. Eight primary and five secondary targets were struck. In Tokyo, the targets included an oil tank farm, a steel mill, and several power plants. In Yokosuka, at least one bomb from the B-25 piloted by Lt. Edgar E. McElroy struck the nearly completed IJN aircraft carrier Ryūhō,[19] delaying her launch until November. Six schools and an army hospital were also hit. Japanese officials reported the two aircraft whose crews were captured had struck their targets.[28]
I'm sure you were quoting statistics for the entire war, not just this little raid at the beginning.
War, and fighting, make no sense, unless you are fighting for a cause and have been wronged by another. I think we can agree that Japan wronged the US in 1941, and Germany wronged most of Europe starting in 1939.
you're wrong. the numbers of chinese killed listed were for the doolittle raid. and your simplistic version of world war two is embarrassing.
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
The Doolittle raid did all that? I'd love to see the sources for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
3 dead,
8 POWs (4 died in captivity: 3 executed, 1 by disease)
15 B-25s
250,000 Chinese (estimated)
Originally Posted By: from your Wiki reference
Compared with the future devastating Boeing B-29 Superfortress attacks against Japan, the Doolittle raid did little material damage, readily repaired. Eight primary and five secondary targets were struck. In Tokyo, the targets included an oil tank farm, a steel mill, and several power plants. In Yokosuka, at least one bomb from the B-25 piloted by Lt. Edgar E. McElroy struck the nearly completed IJN aircraft carrier Ryūhō,[19] delaying her launch until November. Six schools and an army hospital were also hit. Japanese officials reported the two aircraft whose crews were captured had struck their targets.[28]
I'm sure you were quoting statistics for the entire war, not just this little raid at the beginning.
War, and fighting, make no sense, unless you are fighting for a cause and have been wronged by another. I think we can agree that Japan wronged the US in 1941, and Germany wronged most of Europe starting in 1939.
you're wrong. the numbers of chinese killed listed were for the doolittle raid. and your simplistic version of world war two is embarrassing.
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
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you're wrong. the numbers of chinese killed listed were for the doolittle raid. and your simplistic version of world war two is embarrassing.
This thread is not about celebrating war. It is about showing respect to those who participated in a mission thought to be suicide, and who did it because of their strength of character and resolve.
If you want to start a fight/debate/call it what you will, then start a new thread and pm me to let me know. Otherwise you are just embarrassing yourself.
Over 100,000 civilian deaths, 1 million injured, 1 million homeless. Light damage to manufacturing and military installations. This was only done to kill civilians. They were not collateral damage, they were particularly targeted.
Not something to celebrate.
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you're wrong. the numbers of chinese killed listed were for the doolittle raid. and your simplistic version of world war two is embarrassing.
This thread is not about celebrating war. It is about showing respect to those who participated in a mission thought to be suicide, and who did it because of their strength of character and resolve.
If you want to start a fight/debate/call it what you will, then start a new thread and pm me to let me know. Otherwise you are just embarrassing yourself.
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
This thread is not about celebrating war. It is about showing respect to those who participated in a mission thought to be suicide, and who did it because of their strength of character and resolve.
If you want to start a fight/debate/call it what you will, then start a new thread and pm me to let me know. Otherwise you are just embarrassing yourself.
you questioned the numbers of civilian deaths this cause. I guess you learned something though. hopefully
This thread is not about celebrating war. It is about showing respect to those who participated in a mission thought to be suicide, and who did it because of their strength of character and resolve.
If you want to start a fight/debate/call it what you will, then start a new thread and pm me to let me know. Otherwise you are just embarrassing yourself.
you questioned the numbers of civilian deaths this cause. I guess you learned something though. hopefully
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