My grandmother recently purchased a demo model '13 Ford Fusion with the 1.6 litre Ecoboost four. We've done two oil changes on it, the first with Napa Syn 5W-20, and the recent one with Motorcraft Syn Blend 5W-20. When I drained the Napa at about 8k, it looked rough. I'm not saying that it was bad oil, I'm just reporting the appearance. We're going to run the Motorcraft to 7.5-8K. This engine is DI and turbocharged. My question is, "Is there something out there that will hold up better to the DI/turbo combination?" The manual states that the oil only needs to meet the current Ford standard, which most oils do, con., syn blend, or full syn. I've also heard of lessening the OCI with DI engines.
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Oil Recommendation For 2013 Fusion
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You might try running a real syn oil instead of the US marketed mislabeled product. You may have to go to a 30 grade and get an oil with ACEA MB and VAG approval.
I would say 8k is too long, I cant get 5L of oil to go that far in our Subaru NA engine without TC and low vis issues and the 2.5FB is probably understressed compared to the Turbo 1.6 ( ecoboost? Ha! - who comes up with this marketing garbage?!)
I would say 8k is too long, I cant get 5L of oil to go that far in our Subaru NA engine without TC and low vis issues and the 2.5FB is probably understressed compared to the Turbo 1.6 ( ecoboost? Ha! - who comes up with this marketing garbage?!)
Mobil1 or Pennzoil Platinum and 5000 mile OCI.
That engine, along with the other Ecoboost offerings from Ford spec 5w30, not 5w-20.
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When I drained the Napa at about 8k
Did the oil-life monitor indicate a change was needed at 8k? You'll also notice your manual says "if your information display resets prematurely or becomes inoperative, you should perform the oil change interval at six months or 5000 miles from your last oil change."
5k would be a great place to start with an analysis.
When I drained the Napa at about 8k
Did the oil-life monitor indicate a change was needed at 8k? You'll also notice your manual says "if your information display resets prematurely or becomes inoperative, you should perform the oil change interval at six months or 5000 miles from your last oil change."
5k would be a great place to start with an analysis.
syn or no syn, one thing of note:
most prolly your grannie will do lots of short trips, thus the fuel dilution part on oil.
I'd consider what factory owner's manual RE: severe service maintenance schedule and change it with whatever brand-name approved oil.
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most prolly your grannie will do lots of short trips, thus the fuel dilution part on oil.
I'd consider what factory owner's manual RE: severe service maintenance schedule and change it with whatever brand-name approved oil.
Q.
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That engine, along with the other Ecoboost offerings from Ford spec 5w30, not 5w-20.
Incorrect. The 1.6L ecoboost uses 5w20 unlike the 3.5L and 2.0L ecoboost.
My apologies to you, I had assumed that when they bumped the other ones up to 5w30 they had included the 1.6.
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
That engine, along with the other Ecoboost offerings from Ford spec 5w30, not 5w-20.
Incorrect. The 1.6L ecoboost uses 5w20 unlike the 3.5L and 2.0L ecoboost.
My apologies to you, I had assumed that when they bumped the other ones up to 5w30 they had included the 1.6.
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She drives long distances, rarely ever makes a short trip. The manual states up to 7,500 miles between changes, if I remember correctly. It's not really up to me when it gets changed. It's her car and her money. I was thinking of running Quaker State Ultimate Durability with a NAPA Gold filter at 5K changes, but convincing her of that may be a problem. She doesn't understand the fuel dilution problem with DI engines, and thinks it should go 7-8K.
The larger ecoboosts were getting used oil analysis reporting they were destroying oil at the 5000 mile mark.
Check out Labnerds posts on f150online.
It sounds like you are worried. And maybe you should be. So I would suggest you pay for a used oil analysis next time the oil is changed and then present the official results to your grandma. It sounds like she is more likely to believe an official source than your opinion, and to some extent, that's the way it should be.
I have decided to do used oil analysis on my oil and ATF for two vehicles to give me insight on engine / transmission condition and to determine change intervals. It is simply better to have the real facts for what is a negligible cost and a cost that will most likely be recouped.
Check out Labnerds posts on f150online.
It sounds like you are worried. And maybe you should be. So I would suggest you pay for a used oil analysis next time the oil is changed and then present the official results to your grandma. It sounds like she is more likely to believe an official source than your opinion, and to some extent, that's the way it should be.
I have decided to do used oil analysis on my oil and ATF for two vehicles to give me insight on engine / transmission condition and to determine change intervals. It is simply better to have the real facts for what is a negligible cost and a cost that will most likely be recouped.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
That engine, along with the other Ecoboost offerings from Ford spec 5w30, not 5w-20.
Incorrect. The 1.6L ecoboost uses 5w20 unlike the 3.5L and 2.0L ecoboost.
What do Bitogers think about the fuel economy of a 0w-20 versus a 5w-20 in this application ?
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
That engine, along with the other Ecoboost offerings from Ford spec 5w30, not 5w-20.
Incorrect. The 1.6L ecoboost uses 5w20 unlike the 3.5L and 2.0L ecoboost.
What do Bitogers think about the fuel economy of a 0w-20 versus a 5w-20 in this application ?
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She is easily convinced by things on paper, so maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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On second thought, maybe it's time to hand her off to the dealer. Maintaining her car shouldn't be my problem, and she isn't really saving any money by having me do it. After she buys the oil and filter, and I charge her to do it, she might as well just take it to Ford.
Stop charging her labor and she will come out ahead by avoiding the dealer. Plus you can get great deals on oil by keeping your eye peeled.
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At ten bucks, I don't believe I'm killing her on labor, considering you have a large fabric panel to drop just to see the oil pan. Also, there isn't an access panel in that panel. Like I said, it's her car, her money, and I've answered my own question. No more oil changes on her car from me.
I've taken my Toyota Matrix to the Ford dealer for the MC syn-blend and an MC filter. $20 with coupon and no appt. needed. I've been happy with them. I can watch them work on it as well. They tell me 5k on the syn-blend and 7500 for the Full Synthetic oil. But that's prob different than the manufacturer recommendation on the Fusion. Full Synthetic oil change there is $60. I've gone up to 7500 on the syn-blend. But I noticed it started to consume a little bit of oil from 7-7.5 so I moved the oci up to 6.5 to play it safer.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
That engine, along with the other Ecoboost offerings from Ford spec 5w30, not 5w-20.
Incorrect. The 1.6L ecoboost uses 5w20 unlike the 3.5L and 2.0L ecoboost.
Pre 2011 Ecoboost 3.5's (MKS, MKT, SHO, Flex) also spec 5w20. They were never back-specced to 5w30. Best bet is to go with what is on the oil cap or in the owner's manual for them.
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
That engine, along with the other Ecoboost offerings from Ford spec 5w30, not 5w-20.
Incorrect. The 1.6L ecoboost uses 5w20 unlike the 3.5L and 2.0L ecoboost.
Pre 2011 Ecoboost 3.5's (MKS, MKT, SHO, Flex) also spec 5w20. They were never back-specced to 5w30. Best bet is to go with what is on the oil cap or in the owner's manual for them.
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