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If it requires 5W30, I would go with Castrol 0W30 (BC) or Castrol 0W40. M1 considering it is 13.5cst and 3.8cp, might be too much.
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wemay
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http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2015/...n-engines-.html
'Ford has been pushing its EcoBoost engines as a way of improving fuel economy without sacrificing performance. The real-world results of this strategy may be mixed, but one thing is not: all of these powerplants feature direct injection as well as turbochargers and advanced control software.
These engines have been on the market for a number of years now and to get some empirical evidence from the front lines about how they’re holding up we reached out to Brian Laskowski, a Ford Factory Certified Technician. He also has a YouTube channel, FordTechMakuloco that highlights all sorts of automotive repairs.
Responding via e-mail Laskowski said, “Carbon deposits in Ford engines are not a widespread issue due to the advanced engine technology.” But he also mentioned that it has happened in some low-mileage EcoBoost units.
SEE ALSO: What is Top-Tier Gasoline?
“As of today the issue seems to be isolated to certain markets with varying factors such as fuel quality,” said Laskowski. If carbon buildup becomes severe he said it can result in all kinds of issues from drivability woes to misfires, turbocharger issues and even catalytic converter damage.
Survey Says…
Assuaging potential sky-is-falling fears, Michael Karesh, the developer of TrueDelta.com said carbon buildup is “not an issue for all direct-injected engines” based on the data he collects. His website surveys the owners of around 33,000 different vehicles to acquire relevant and timely data about vehicle reliability and fuel economy among other things.
But of course there are some instances of deposit-related issues that have popped up. Karesh said, “The only engines it’s reported quite a bit is [with] the VW/Audi 2.0T and then the Audi V6s.” He also said, “I know there are some BMWs that end up with carbon buildup as well.”
As for the frequency of reported problems with these Volkswagen cars he said his numbers indicate “it can be as high as one in six over the last two years,” which “is a high number” and one that he said is consistent across different models.
Carbon Buildup
The 2008 Audi A3, which offered a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine, also popped up in the TrueDelta data. Karesh said it’s puzzling why 2006 and 2007 models aren’t having similar carbon issues. Leaving us with more questions he said, “I’m not really seeing GTIs [popup],” which are mechanically similar to the A3.
“If there is a non-German car there might be something happening in the [Cadillac] CTS,” said Karesh, but once again he cautioned that it’s “too scattered and sporadic” to draw any definitive conclusions. Additionally he said, “I have one report of decarbonizing the engine in a Chevrolet Equinox.” Unlike the other instances, he has quite a large sample size for this particular vehicle, which clearly indicates that deposits are not a major problem at this time.'
'Ford has been pushing its EcoBoost engines as a way of improving fuel economy without sacrificing performance. The real-world results of this strategy may be mixed, but one thing is not: all of these powerplants feature direct injection as well as turbochargers and advanced control software.
These engines have been on the market for a number of years now and to get some empirical evidence from the front lines about how they’re holding up we reached out to Brian Laskowski, a Ford Factory Certified Technician. He also has a YouTube channel, FordTechMakuloco that highlights all sorts of automotive repairs.
Responding via e-mail Laskowski said, “Carbon deposits in Ford engines are not a widespread issue due to the advanced engine technology.” But he also mentioned that it has happened in some low-mileage EcoBoost units.
SEE ALSO: What is Top-Tier Gasoline?
“As of today the issue seems to be isolated to certain markets with varying factors such as fuel quality,” said Laskowski. If carbon buildup becomes severe he said it can result in all kinds of issues from drivability woes to misfires, turbocharger issues and even catalytic converter damage.
Survey Says…
Assuaging potential sky-is-falling fears, Michael Karesh, the developer of TrueDelta.com said carbon buildup is “not an issue for all direct-injected engines” based on the data he collects. His website surveys the owners of around 33,000 different vehicles to acquire relevant and timely data about vehicle reliability and fuel economy among other things.
But of course there are some instances of deposit-related issues that have popped up. Karesh said, “The only engines it’s reported quite a bit is [with] the VW/Audi 2.0T and then the Audi V6s.” He also said, “I know there are some BMWs that end up with carbon buildup as well.”
As for the frequency of reported problems with these Volkswagen cars he said his numbers indicate “it can be as high as one in six over the last two years,” which “is a high number” and one that he said is consistent across different models.
Carbon Buildup
The 2008 Audi A3, which offered a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder engine, also popped up in the TrueDelta data. Karesh said it’s puzzling why 2006 and 2007 models aren’t having similar carbon issues. Leaving us with more questions he said, “I’m not really seeing GTIs [popup],” which are mechanically similar to the A3.
“If there is a non-German car there might be something happening in the [Cadillac] CTS,” said Karesh, but once again he cautioned that it’s “too scattered and sporadic” to draw any definitive conclusions. Additionally he said, “I have one report of decarbonizing the engine in a Chevrolet Equinox.” Unlike the other instances, he has quite a large sample size for this particular vehicle, which clearly indicates that deposits are not a major problem at this time.'
So you're saying as long as I run a "top tier" gasoline (BP, Valero, Shell, etc) I won't have ANY deposit problems ? How about using an oil with a high NOACK vs an oil with a low one, or a high HTHS vs a low one ? Wouldn't that directly relate to deposit build up & turbo bearing protection under high heat & stress also ? The OEM's are going to push whatever oil puts the most money in their pockets, hence the recomendation of Motorcraft 5W-30. DI, turbocharged gasoline engines have known issues with fuel dilution & engine deposits, especially for short trip commuters. There are clearly better oil choices for DI engines than Motorcraft 5W-30, I'm just trying to get info based on first hand knowledge from people who have used these oils in their Ecoboost. As it stands I'm leaning toward the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum based on UOA's I've seen & reading reviews from people who have used it. Some of us just want the best for our equipment, yes we go OCD about it sometimes. I'd rather be OCD than be the person who switches oil every oil change to what's on sale & then complains when his engine doesn't operate correctly.
wemay
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Lot's of theories out there...
*Using Top Tier fuel and sticking with OEM oil recomendations
*Using GrpIV oils only
*Using low SAPs or Mid SAPs
*Using low TEOST GrpIII
*Using low Noack GrpIII at OEM recommended oci
*Using low Noack GrpIII at no more than 5k ml oci
*Using GrpII at no more than 5k ml oci
*Using oils containing the least amount of calcium additives (T-GDI)
http://papers.sae.org/2014-32-0092/
http://gf-6.com/sites/default/files/Turb...ig Hurdle.pdf
http://www.pecj.or.jp/japanese/overseas/conference/pdf/conference12-19.pdf
*Using Top Tier fuel and sticking with OEM oil recomendations
*Using GrpIV oils only
*Using low SAPs or Mid SAPs
*Using low TEOST GrpIII
*Using low Noack GrpIII at OEM recommended oci
*Using low Noack GrpIII at no more than 5k ml oci
*Using GrpII at no more than 5k ml oci
*Using oils containing the least amount of calcium additives (T-GDI)
http://papers.sae.org/2014-32-0092/
http://gf-6.com/sites/default/files/Turb...ig Hurdle.pdf
http://www.pecj.or.jp/japanese/overseas/conference/pdf/conference12-19.pdf
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wemay
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Motor Oil certifications comparison tool.
http://lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdditives/ACEA/RelativePerformanceTool/default.html
AMSOIL "independant" testing of some common synthetics in 5w30
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G3115.pdf
BTW: Almost every GDI or T-GDI shows some dilution. I have yet to see a UOA pattern where excessive wear metals increase as a result.
http://lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdditives/ACEA/RelativePerformanceTool/default.html
AMSOIL "independant" testing of some common synthetics in 5w30
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G3115.pdf
BTW: Almost every GDI or T-GDI shows some dilution. I have yet to see a UOA pattern where excessive wear metals increase as a result.
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This is just my opinion on the matter as I also have an EcoBoost(2.0t). Because of the potential carbon build up issues I have only fed mine a top tier fuel(hoping it's the cleanest and burns the cleanest) and I too went with Pennzoil Ultra hoping for the same results as the fuel with the cleanliness. I'll never know(hopefully) if things are staying clean inside there as I have no plans to remove the intake manifold or head. As for premium vs regular fuel, I actually run mid grade. The cost of top tier premium is too clostly and I don't run my vehicle hard enough for the 9hp extra that Ford claims over 87 octane to benefit me.
Originally Posted By: wemay
Motor Oil certifications comparison tool.
http://lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdditives/ACEA/RelativePerformanceTool/default.html
AMSOIL "independant" testing of some common synthetics in 5w30
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G3115.pdf
BTW: Almost every GDI or T-GDI shows some dilution. I have yet to see a UOA pattern where excessive wear metals increase as a result.
Was anyone else surprised to see synpower ranking near the top everywhere except in noack in the AMSOIL study?
I've been trying to tell you all it's quality!
that is if we can trust this study lol
Motor Oil certifications comparison tool.
http://lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdditives/ACEA/RelativePerformanceTool/default.html
AMSOIL "independant" testing of some common synthetics in 5w30
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/G3115.pdf
BTW: Almost every GDI or T-GDI shows some dilution. I have yet to see a UOA pattern where excessive wear metals increase as a result.
Was anyone else surprised to see synpower ranking near the top everywhere except in noack in the AMSOIL study?
I've been trying to tell you all it's quality!
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The Pennzoil tested in the Amsoil study was the old Ultra formulation (which performed great). The NOACK was A LOT lower than the current Ultra Platinum (looks about 7-8 for the old & 11.5 for the new). Don't know why they went up, maybe cutting costs for the new add pack ????
If you want a low NOACK oil use PP 10w30. Its the lowest I've seen recently at around 4.7. PP 5w30 is over twice that at 10.1. The only thing is the 10w30 does not carry the Ford spec. But it would seem to be the perfect oil for turbo/di applications.
I still have the FF in my 2015 Focus ST with the 2.0 Ecoboost and cannot decide on an oil to run. Guess I'll stick with one under the Ford spec for now, while under warranty.
I still have the FF in my 2015 Focus ST with the 2.0 Ecoboost and cannot decide on an oil to run. Guess I'll stick with one under the Ford spec for now, while under warranty.
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If you want a low NOACK oil use PP 10w30. Its the lowest I've seen recently at around 4.7. PP 5w30 is over twice that at 10.1. The only thing is the 10w30 does not carry the Ford spec. But it would seem to be the perfect oil for turbo/di applications.
I still have the FF in my 2015 Focus ST with the 2.0 Ecoboost and cannot decide on an oil to run. Guess I'll stick with one under the Ford spec for now, while under warranty.
Pennzoil is discontinuing the Platinum line I believe, everything will be the Ultra Platinum now. Low Noack is definitely a good thing for a turbo DI engine. That's why I'm considering the Amsoil Signature series 5W-30.
If you want a low NOACK oil use PP 10w30. Its the lowest I've seen recently at around 4.7. PP 5w30 is over twice that at 10.1. The only thing is the 10w30 does not carry the Ford spec. But it would seem to be the perfect oil for turbo/di applications.
I still have the FF in my 2015 Focus ST with the 2.0 Ecoboost and cannot decide on an oil to run. Guess I'll stick with one under the Ford spec for now, while under warranty.
Pennzoil is discontinuing the Platinum line I believe, everything will be the Ultra Platinum now. Low Noack is definitely a good thing for a turbo DI engine. That's why I'm considering the Amsoil Signature series 5W-30.
wemay
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Where did you hear they're discontinuing Platinum in favor of Ultra Platinum?
Originally Posted By: wemay
Where did you hear they're discontinuing Platinum in favor of Ultra Platinum?
Sorry, I misread the Pennzoil website, the Ultra Platinum will replace the old Pennzoil Ultra oil.
4. Is Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus™ Technology considered to be a direct replacement for Pennzoil Ultra™ Full Synthetic motor oil?
Yes, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus™ Technology will continue to phase out Pennzoil Ultra™ Full Synthetic motor oil over time.
Where did you hear they're discontinuing Platinum in favor of Ultra Platinum?
Sorry, I misread the Pennzoil website, the Ultra Platinum will replace the old Pennzoil Ultra oil.
4. Is Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus™ Technology considered to be a direct replacement for Pennzoil Ultra™ Full Synthetic motor oil?
Yes, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™ Full Synthetic motor oil with PurePlus™ Technology will continue to phase out Pennzoil Ultra™ Full Synthetic motor oil over time.
I read wemays contribution via the AutoGuide article. No where does it suggest that High Octane fuel lessens carbon build up in DI engines. He did refer to low QUALITY fuel. The article does seem to suggest that most manufactures of DI engines have made good progress in eliminating or minimizing the problem. Ed
I read his articles he posted, I found it interesting that they said oil droplets containing high concentrations of calcium for detergent cuased preignition in DI engines. Isn't calcium a prime detergent additive in most oils ?
wemay
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Originally Posted By: Fasttimez
I read his articles he posted, I found it interesting that they said oil droplets containing high concentrations of calcium for detergent cuased preignition in DI engines. Isn't calcium a prime detergent additive in most oils ?
Edge uses 1/3 and M1 about 1/2 the calcium as other major brands.
http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
I read his articles he posted, I found it interesting that they said oil droplets containing high concentrations of calcium for detergent cuased preignition in DI engines. Isn't calcium a prime detergent additive in most oils ?
Edge uses 1/3 and M1 about 1/2 the calcium as other major brands.
http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: Fasttimez
I read his articles he posted, I found it interesting that they said oil droplets containing high concentrations of calcium for detergent cuased preignition in DI engines. Isn't calcium a prime detergent additive in most oils ?
Edge uses 1/3 and M1 about 1/2 the calcium as other major brands.
http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
That's some good info right there. It seems in an effort to be the cleanest synthetic by adding calcium as a detergent, they create a "hypothetical" as they say problem in DI gas engines with some preignition. So there really is a fine line between cleanliness & creating a whole different problem, maybe.
Originally Posted By: Fasttimez
I read his articles he posted, I found it interesting that they said oil droplets containing high concentrations of calcium for detergent cuased preignition in DI engines. Isn't calcium a prime detergent additive in most oils ?
Edge uses 1/3 and M1 about 1/2 the calcium as other major brands.
http://pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html
That's some good info right there. It seems in an effort to be the cleanest synthetic by adding calcium as a detergent, they create a "hypothetical" as they say problem in DI gas engines with some preignition. So there really is a fine line between cleanliness & creating a whole different problem, maybe.
It seems Edge has bet the lot on Magnesium for cleaning & the regular Mobile synthetic has about a 60/40 mix of calcium & magnesium for cleaning. The Mobile has pretty decent Noack # when compared to the rest. Might be swaying Mobile's way after looking at this.
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Mobil*
Also, you can find Motorcraft 5w20 blend here...
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Feb2014/consolidated5w20ALL.html
Also, you can find Motorcraft 5w20 blend here...
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Feb2014/consolidated5w20ALL.html
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Keep us updated on this truck in general. I know I'm intrigued with it. Especially this new 2.7. I haven't really read anything bad about it other than its mpg while towing.
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Hey OP,
Keep us updated on this truck in general. I know I'm intrigued with it. Especially this new 2.7. I haven't really read anything bad about it other than its mpg while towing.
I will.
Hey OP,
Keep us updated on this truck in general. I know I'm intrigued with it. Especially this new 2.7. I haven't really read anything bad about it other than its mpg while towing.
I will.
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