Originally Posted By: 97f150
Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: 97f150
I'd rather ask for forgiveness then permission. I'll even plead ignorance if I have to, and in worst case scenerio ill find another place that I don't always have big brother watching or where it's allowed.
I was in the middle of a change once and the apt manager rolled up to show an empty apt. We chatted for a few minutes but what I was doing was never mentioned, not then or after. Likely if caught it would only be a warning.
I just refuse to live looking over my shoulder, especially if I'm not causing a bother to anyone or leaving a mess for someone else to clean up. I just do what needs to get done and move on, and if there are any problems I deal with them as they come. After all, in 5,000 miles my oil will need changing again.
It's not about 'big brother'. If you sign and agree to the terms of a lease...well, that's it right there. Anything against that lease, including all the rules YOU agreed to...is unethical. You say you'd rather 'ask for forgiveness' than ask for permission?? Why? Because you feel that you have some sort of right to do what you wish on property not your own? Then you use these words...'I'll even plead ignorance'. Ignorance you say? You flat out mean lying, don't you? Just say it....you would lie, correct?
Yes, having character isn't supposed to be easy. But don't you think it's the gentlemanly and civilized thing to do? Now granted....if the apartment manager (AFTER ASKING) says it's ok for you to change the oil, then that is fine. But to lie, and look for excuses when you know you should not be doing something....well, that is a sad thing to do.
Okay, SO I WOULD LIE, I WOULD TELL THEM I DIDNT KNOW ANY BETTER! happy now? Oh an while Im at it, and because you alluded to this as well, I AM A PERSON OF VERY LITTLE QUALITY WHO DOESNT PLAY VERY WELL WITH RULES!!!!! Now hope that clears it up for you father. Now I have a question, why does that bother you so bad? If you saw me, I doubt you would waste minutes on your Trac Phone to report me anyway.
Interesting post. I see that by clarifying your post for you, you've chosen to get upset with me. Why is that I wonder? Do you think it's a bad thing to have character....or 'quality' as you put it? Is it so wrong to be decent and have consideration and respect? Seriously, I'm just trying to understand why you, and many others today, share this attitude of being above rules. Don't you think that it is better for the whole that we, as a society, do our best to abide by rules? I am assuming that you don't care at all. In my opinion, that is odd and a real shame. Did your parents teach you to have respect for others....including agreements/contracts and laws....or did they show the same level of disregard that you exhibit? It's a honest question not intended to insult....I'm actually very interested to try and figure out people like you.
To answer your question about WHY it bothers me? Simple. I live in the same society that you do. The things you do....and the things I do....effect others in some way, big or small. As our society continues to grow and becomes more crowded....it becomes even more important that rules and consideration of others be regarded as highly important for the betterment of society. It is not my right to do as I wish in every circumstance....especially if I AGREED to something before hand. Today, many folks with your attitude have made our society LESS than what it could or should be. That's why it bothers me. It's the same with traffic laws. Every day on my drive to work I have the misfortune to share the road with individuals that feel that rules and laws are "for the other poor sap" and not for them. Makes for a real pleasant drive. But that is just one example. There are hundreds of others I could point out....but then I don't want to go on too much of a rant here.
I just wish fellas like you could understand why being a gentleman and a person of character matters more now than ever.
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