OIL ADDITIVE TESTING IS HERE
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Given how many products you have suggested are unfairly discriminated against on this board, I suppose it is merely a coincidence that the first product you stand up for is made in your state.
[ September 01, 2004, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: TooManyWheels ]
[ September 01, 2004, 01:09 AM: Message edited by: TooManyWheels ]
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Hmmm TMW ...(eye brows raised a bit) ...do we have a "mole" here???
BITOG GLOSSARY
Oil mole: noun, orig. BITOG: A product sales/market rep that assumes the role of a common (or uncommon) poster to promote a product or service without paying the sponsor fees associated with the support of the site. The promotion of the product is done in a covert and clandestine manner. synonyms: Slease, Troll, Slime
Now I would never suggest such a thing, myself
But my cousin in Lancaster County would probably be fixin' his hangman's noose
Sorry ...I just saw "Conspiracy Theory"
btw- I don't have a cousin in Lancaster County
BITOG GLOSSARY
Oil mole: noun, orig. BITOG: A product sales/market rep that assumes the role of a common (or uncommon) poster to promote a product or service without paying the sponsor fees associated with the support of the site. The promotion of the product is done in a covert and clandestine manner. synonyms: Slease, Troll, Slime
Now I would never suggest such a thing, myself
Sorry ...I just saw "Conspiracy Theory"
btw- I don't have a cousin in Lancaster County
I see a bunch of tests, but I see no mention of the independent and reputable organization that carried out such tests. Therefore those tests hold no credibility with me.
I see nothing wrong with exposing us to new products.Especially when they hire AMERICANS to work there.I never heard of these products but I hadn't heard of BG before finding out that the dealer uses them.I for one buy LC FP and ARX also use Blackstone so I and a supporter and a consumer.I may say stupid things at times but I am outspoken and I am working on that.
I also buy lots of Schaffer products from Tim Mills only because he said no one sells cases of oil.
Dropitby: You lost me here. Huh ?
I've seen this stuff advertised on Horsepower TV on the weekends. It's a shame really. A great TV show about cars and car lovers. Then have sponsers like this!
When I see a company that seeks to prove itself against snake oil products like Slick 50... you've just positioned yourself to be no better. You'll never see these types of products in my engine.
When I see a company that seeks to prove itself against snake oil products like Slick 50... you've just positioned yourself to be no better. You'll never see these types of products in my engine.
Give him the benefit of doubt here will ya ? His profile says he is an Automation Engineer and his interests are Robots .
Maybe he offered this up since it might have been but one of the many available and shows a few different additives all in one place " site " and he heard about this company because of where he lives it's on counters/shelves here and there in that State.
SWRI did this test
Petro-Lubricant Test Labs, Inc. in New Jersey did this one
I read no further but with all the bad publicity out there about certain additives no doubt there are guys on the hunt to manufacturer one worth a little more than the average .
There are some very capable formulators out there in the world , just because they don't post here don't mean .................
Maybe he offered this up since it might have been but one of the many available and shows a few different additives all in one place " site " and he heard about this company because of where he lives it's on counters/shelves here and there in that State.
SWRI did this test
Petro-Lubricant Test Labs, Inc. in New Jersey did this one
I read no further but with all the bad publicity out there about certain additives no doubt there are guys on the hunt to manufacturer one worth a little more than the average .
There are some very capable formulators out there in the world , just because they don't post here don't mean .................
Near the same accusations were made to member dropitby Here
dropitby has a couple of UOA's with # 132 Moly Treat posted .
Someone that posts a additive link here in this section might need a flame suit on gauging from the search results I just saw
Instead of buyer beware it looks more like poster beware
dropitby has a couple of UOA's with # 132 Moly Treat posted .
Someone that posts a additive link here in this section might need a flame suit on gauging from the search results I just saw
Instead of buyer beware it looks more like poster beware
Salsaah would improve his credibility immensely if he were to just post some UOAs of his own, especially since he is a big proponent of using data instead of hype and hyperbole. Is that unreasonable?
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I'm "slow"quote:
Come on guys, who really didn't see this coming.
Okay! I just couldn't resist the urge of a playful jab. Shameful, I know.
TooManyWheels: See what you made me do? (visions of a gun being put to my head - one of my personal favorites
So, sAl(e)s-ahh(sociate)
You don't happen to be an independant rep for this company, are you?? If so, I can suggest a far more subtle technique to "lead the herd" over to the watering trough.
First, whenever you encounter a skeptic, take the wind out of their sails ahead of time. Statements like, "Sure there's a bunch of snake oil out there. You'll find sham artists everywhere. However ...." You place their arguement for them ahead of time ..leaving them limited points to discount your position. Then you counter the individual skeptical points one by one, "Well what do you think about this ***** ?" and " Well how does this flush with that *******?".
You've got to love to argue and win. Not just argue.
You guys never sieze to amaze me. You say you want testing here it is. You say the tests are not credible cause you did not read the entire thing and see who did the tests. The tests are anywhere between 30,000$ and 100,000$ and they're not good enough.
You say i'm a sales man salsahh is the name of my 2001 nissan supercharged truck.
Who gives a flying rip about where i live and how close to the factory I am i'm sure there is a additive or oil company right down the road from where you live.
I for one believe now that you really don't care what the product is or how they present it. You are not open to the subject on additives and really this additive section on this forum really should not exist.
You believe in FP/LC and auto rx aside from the backyard labs set up what testing do these people have?
You say i'm a sales man salsahh is the name of my 2001 nissan supercharged truck.
Who gives a flying rip about where i live and how close to the factory I am i'm sure there is a additive or oil company right down the road from where you live.
I for one believe now that you really don't care what the product is or how they present it. You are not open to the subject on additives and really this additive section on this forum really should not exist.
You believe in FP/LC and auto rx aside from the backyard labs set up what testing do these people have?
C'mon Mr. DAta, show us the UOAs! (BTW, UOA means USED oil analysis, VOA means virgin oil analysis.) Seems like it would be a lot easier to just post a few of the ones you undoubtedly have, instead of continuously throwing stink bombs at the whole forum, which incidentally is not a powerful form of persuasion.
Well salsa, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
However the general path you are taking is the wrong one. Historically on this site, salesmen and/or argumentative supporters of some little known product have logged on, bashed other's points of view and/or products for about 30 posts, then posted something like your first in this thread.
So its not the product, because every product is unknown to us at one time or another, but merely the way it was presented. Also don't forget that everyone here has some type of technical background or interest. So any product that is introduced, is guilty until proven acceptable. The guys here will put any oil and additive through the grid iron before accepting it. Probably the widely accepted AutoRX and Lube Control went through the same skepticism at some time.
However the general path you are taking is the wrong one. Historically on this site, salesmen and/or argumentative supporters of some little known product have logged on, bashed other's points of view and/or products for about 30 posts, then posted something like your first in this thread.
So its not the product, because every product is unknown to us at one time or another, but merely the way it was presented. Also don't forget that everyone here has some type of technical background or interest. So any product that is introduced, is guilty until proven acceptable. The guys here will put any oil and additive through the grid iron before accepting it. Probably the widely accepted AutoRX and Lube Control went through the same skepticism at some time.
I apologize for the lack of information on UOA's or VOA's i'm working on that but lets get real what does a voa or uoa have against a expensive government sequence test that all motoroils must go through prior to approval from the API. VOA's and UOA's are not the Ultimate most labs are doing 1000's a day and don't provide the best and accurate tests for every UOA submitted they are trivial at best they're better than it feels better or any other gut feeling but compare them to a gas chromatography is like comparing a ford escort to a ferrari.
I don't know what path i'm to take to present things other than in its raw form i guess i need to slow down and take a diffrent approach i just get crazy when i hear rumours flying and most are based on feeling or some other primitive form of analysis.
Furthuremore you have to give SFR credit at least they have something more than the rest. look at any of the other so called snake oils and see what they have for testing.
I don't take anything personally but i do want to discover the truth and stop this vicious cycle that everyone thinks oil additives are snake oil cause they're not. some are not the best but they're not what everyone thinks they are
I don't know what path i'm to take to present things other than in its raw form i guess i need to slow down and take a diffrent approach i just get crazy when i hear rumours flying and most are based on feeling or some other primitive form of analysis.
Furthuremore you have to give SFR credit at least they have something more than the rest. look at any of the other so called snake oils and see what they have for testing.
I don't take anything personally but i do want to discover the truth and stop this vicious cycle that everyone thinks oil additives are snake oil cause they're not. some are not the best but they're not what everyone thinks they are
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I tried to make my posts comical enough to tell you that you're getting a tongue in cheek roasting (note the
Many of the additives that you mention do have some merit. Typically, however, their benefit is limited and their cost high Most here have gotten beyond the marketing hype of many products and have realized that, even if they do have beneficial factors to them ....what good did it do you given its costs? Many additives have "no hype" to them. Seafoam is one. Techron is another. I don't know much about LC ..but others appear to have good results with it.
Do you think that I wasn't skeptical about AutoRx? Sure I was. Like I said before ...I had $20 that I could have thrown in the street (bought an expensive pizza or two with) or send it to Frank. Frank won. It worked!!! Hurray! I can attest to its worth. SeaFoam ..heard about it word of mouth. Tried it. It worked!! Hurray!!
I think that the "truth" is a nebulous comodity when it comes to $$$$ and "sense". Oil Extreme allegedly has many benefits to it ..but at the price they get and the OCI you would have to employ to maintain its alleged effects would probably pay for 4x the oil changes over 10 years of ownership. While not using it ...the normal OCI will yield you ..10-15 years of ownership. The costs/benefit scale is just too out of whack for the $$$ to make "sense".
It's the same with most "mechanic in a can" type additives.
Agreed I will check with the sponsor and see if they can fill my order first.
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