oh the irony!

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Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Suspect helmet laws and seat belt laws are there because of insurance company lobbys.


I'm sure you're right. If seatbelts and helmets mean fewer or less serious injuries, that means the insurance companies are paying out less, and therefore keeping more of our premiums. (I'll bet their research makes them favor cell phone restrictions, too, but that's another topic.)

As has been said above, if payouts are more, we all will pay more for insurance. The severely injured will also be more of a financial burden on the society, from their families on up the line.

This isn't a simple case of do-goodism suppressing the individual's rights. The individual's actions affect others, and not just financially. Think how tired first responders must get of picking somebody up with a stick and a spoon because they didn't buckle up or wear a helmet. Think of the impact on the victim's family, and the psychological burden on the other driver, at fault or not.

Looking only at the financial side, these laws are one example of where doing the right/smart/sensible thing is actually cheaper, too. Call it market forces at work. And all a person has to do to avoid a fine is put on a helmet or buckle a seatbelt--or keep paying fines as the cost of civil disobedience, and hope for the best when the wreck happens.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Just don't make me pay for their stupidity/freedom.

And which of your personal activities or lifestyle choices do we get to apply this rationale to?
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jeff

FWIW I am a motorcyclist and wear a full face helmet, gloves, boots, and riding pants and jacket every time I'm on the bike.
 
Here is another way to look at it. Riding a cycle or driving a car in the US is a privilege, not a right. When you get your license to ride or drive there is a set code of laws you are expected to adhere to or you may lose that privilege.

I understand the "freedom" argument, however when you have no explicit "right" to drive than you have no "right" to not wear a piece of safety gear.
 
Well I suppose freedom is restricted by the "publc good," which would apply to taxpayer funded infrastructure. Private roads ought to be a different story, what few there are that are not heavily regulated out of concern for the company's liability. So basically you have to get a dirt bike and take risks on your own property, I guess. So long as we don't have wings and there are other people present on the planet, our freedom will be somewhat restricted. In fact, a large bear can restrict our freedom--unless you have a decent sized gun handy. Okay, I ramble.
 
re helmet laws, I don't see them remarkably different to roadworthiness laws for cars, minimum crash testing standards, or the requirement that a hot rod meet minimum standards.
 
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