Official 2025 Indy 500 Thread

I was (attempting) at being good-naturedly humorous that if you don't want a spec chassis, go to Formula 1 or Moto gp. It was my interpretation you were saying because Indy car is a spec chassis you haven't watched it. However then you say you want to see better competition.

Typically said F1 or MotoGP races are decided in the first turn or within the first few laps. Definitely not competitive (you would rather see better competition) which is the reason for a spec chassis in the first place for example with IndyCar and Nascar. Where is there a series that doesn't run a spec chassis that offers that better competition? I'm honestly asking, not wanting to stir the pot or cause any heartburn.
 
I was (attempting) at being good-naturedly humorous that if you don't want a spec chassis, go to Formula 1 or Moto gp. It was my interpretation you were saying because Indy car is a spec chassis you haven't watched it. However then you say you want to see better competition.

Typically said F1 or MotoGP races are decided in the first turn or within the first few laps. Definitely not competitive (you would rather see better competition) which is the reason for a spec chassis in the first place for example with IndyCar and Nascar. Where is there a series that doesn't run a spec chassis that offers that better competition? I'm honestly asking, not wanting to stir the pot or cause any heartburn.
Well, it is a good question. I can´t think of one.

I will say this...I watch F1 because I do enjoy the tech. But even they have become more spec. There are fewer engine manufacturers now and satellite teams are using parts from the main teams. And the innovation has reached the point where most are going the same direction with most parts. The aero is looking VERY similar on the cars to the point where you have to get up close to really see the nuances. It´s very hard to see them on TV.

But I do still enjoy it.

BUt for comptetition...at incredible speed, I can´t see anything that touches the thrill of the Indy 500. Last year there were 16 different leaders. Nearly half the field led at some point! And the driver matters when they are that close. First, the driver matters for managing the changes in the car, primarily with the weight jacker. Tire degredation is a much bigger deal than in F1. It happens much faster. Pit stops are more complicated...making for more human element, and the racing is more of a chess game, particularly at the front. The 2024 race saw Pato incorrectly choose the wrong corner to pass Newgarden. He needed to make the pass in turn 3. Finally, the driver not only has to pick the right moves, but has to be brave. Drivers that don´t take the big risk...multiple times....don´t win the Indy 500. So yeah, the spec part of it did diminish an element of the Indy 500 that made it fascinating, but what replaced it was much better competition during the race itself.

The best of both worlds probably, in my mind, anyway....was 1982. You had lots of innovation, a diverse field of cars, including some real contraptions cobbled up at the rear of the field, and you had an epic 10 or so lap battle at the end that resulted in a photo finish. So that one had it all.

I do miss the innovation. But I know guys on the current teams and there is still a lot of stuff going on. You just can´t see it, which is a shame. Of course, I have to laugh at all the outrage over Penske getting caught with the smooth attenuator. I know guys on several teams who know enough that they cringe when their drivers and owners are publicly blasting Penske, knowing what´s going on in their very cars. But politics is part of racing, too. People just don´t realize how much of it there is. Except in F1. They seem to really understand it and in some weird way, embrace it.
 
There is politics in EVERY professional sport. The driver/rider absolutely matters. As for (the now fired) Penske crew, anyone dumb enough to modify a vehicle in any way AFTER it passes Tech Inspection, shouldn't be surprised when they are caught, and those responsible canned.

I know of one Top Fuel team that showed up to race last year, with a newly front-halved car. They installed a tube into the chassis in the wrong spot (it could be argued it would've given an advantage), and as a result, they didn't pass Tech. So they had to sit there for the weekend in the pits twiddling their thumbs. An expensive and embarrassing 'mistake'.
 
There is politics in EVERY professional sport. The driver/rider absolutely matters. As for (the now fired) Penske crew, anyone dumb enough to modify a vehicle in any way AFTER it passes Tech Inspection, shouldn't be surprised when they are caught, and those responsible canned.

I know of one Top Fuel team that showed up to race last year, with a newly front-halved car. They installed a tube into the chassis in the wrong spot (it could be argued it would've given an advantage), and as a result, they didn't pass Tech. So they had to sit there for the weekend in the pits twiddling their thumbs. An expensive and embarrassing 'mistake'.
It wasn't modified after tech inspection. It was modified before and the first car passed, as both did the day before. They had tools to undo it to try to go back through tech again, which is normal and common when cars are found to fail tech.

Last year or the year before, 2 McLarens we're failed due to "illegal parts". They were allowed to correct them, pass tech, and qualify. And they were fined, I think $15k each. Nobody said boo. Especially OWard or Brown, who are doing a lot of lip flapping about Penske now.

There's your politics.
 
My two trips to the Indy 500 were in 1989 and 1990. It was great that Buick was able to field their turbocharged push rod six cylinder engine against the racing derived turbocharged V8's for a good many years. That that kind of stuff made it interesting. In 1989 we were seated inside a turn three when Al Jr. and Fittipaldi came together and watched as little Al backed into the wall right in front of us, then got to watch as he gave the "thumbs up" to Fittipaldi the next lap which was under yellow and to finish the race. Next year didn't have the same feel, Luyendyk pretty much ran away with it.

For a while NASCAR allowed a lighter weight car if guys would run a V6 versus a V8 in the Busch series. As well, NASCAR Cup Series had Hoosier and Goodyear tires for a short span. Teams could plan strategy totally different from the other teams based on big differences in the cars and equipment.

I remember how it backfired on Penske when they did the purpose built Mercedes engine at Indy jumping through a loophole and dominated that year. Then couldn't qualify the next year because they relied on the tremendous straight line speed and their cars actually didn't handle worth beans.

Qualifying for the Indy 500 this year was as tight as I ever remember it being. Even the cars that qualified the second day at the back of the pack had been running in the 230s during the week. And the pole was about 233 mph, with a rookie who hasn't run a race on an oval course and a brand new team that couldn't even practice the first day because they didn't have all their ducks in a row. At least there's a bit of intrigue. As well as the Penske cars starting at the back come sunday.

On another note I'm not quite clear on how the hybrid is going to help on the track at indy. Doesn't seem to give much of a boost that I can tell.
 
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It wasn't modified after tech inspection. It was modified before and the first car passed, as both did the day before. They had tools to undo it to try to go back through tech again, which is normal and common when cars are found to fail tech.

Last year or the year before, 2 McLarens we're failed due to "illegal parts". They were allowed to correct them, pass tech, and qualify. And they were fined, I think $15k each. Nobody said boo. Especially OWard or Brown, who are doing a lot of lip flapping about Penske now.

There's your politics.

I'll take your word for it.

Admittedly I'm much more familiar with the NHRA.

I could give numerous instances of regulations not being applied impartially in that racing series. But that could cause issues for me, so I digress...
 
Other than being involved in the NHRA, I'm actually a bigger fan of MotoGP. Mostly because I wish I could ride at the level they do.
 
I´m watching a classic....the full broadcast of the 1982 Indy 500. So much went on in that one, from the crazy start with Kevin Kogan crashing to AJ Foyt banging on his transmission with a hammer, to Gordon Johncock and Rick Mears dueling it out for a photo finish. Truly a great one! I will be watching 1989 next, where Emerson Fittipaldi and Al Unser Jr. fought it out until they bumped and Little Al wound up in the wall. I sat right there where he hit the wall. It was amazing!
 
Looks like Newgarden is going to be a beast on Sunday, coming up through the field. If he can survive any mayhem, this is going to be fun!
Absolutely I don't think you gonna want to miss this one if the front row was smart they should get in line and pace as hard as they can.
 
I´m watching a classic....the full broadcast of the 1982 Indy 500. So much went on in that one, from the crazy start with Kevin Kogan crashing to AJ Foyt banging on his transmission with a hammer, to Gordon Johncock and Rick Mears dueling it out for a photo finish. Truly a great one! I will be watching 1989 next, where Emerson Fittipaldi and Al Unser Jr. fought it out until they bumped and Little Al wound up in the wall. I sat right there where he hit the wall. It was amazing!
If you sat there right when Little Al the wall, then we probably were dang close to each other on that day as that's where I was sitting.
 
My brother got a picture as he hit the wall going backwards, the wall rear wheel in the air with the Magnesium Flash all in the picture.
 
My brother got a picture as he hit the wall going backwards, the wall rear wheel in the air with the Magnesium Flash all in the picture.
Was your brother a pro photographer, or just there for the race?

Btw, those two cars had two of the best Indycar paint jobs, ever.
 
Who is watching today? I see they have a California driver trying to do the double race today. Indy 500 - Charlotte 600? Coke 600? Hard to keep up with sponsors anymore. Good luck to Kyle Larson trying the double. One is hard enough. The Indy cars are unreal with the new wind cheating chassis and bodies.
 
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