I don't think it is checked regularly out here. Not hard to get your exemption with farm plates. You save fuel tax as the fuel is not supposed to be used on highway.
Off road diesel used in your daily driver
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Ive heard stories of the State Police doing checks at livestock auctions in WI. But for the regular Joe that does not farm, they never get checked.
I used to have a diesel truck. Off-road diesel is all over around here. Its usually .50$ a gallon cheaper than on road diesel.
I used to have a diesel truck. Off-road diesel is all over around here. Its usually .50$ a gallon cheaper than on road diesel.
Originally Posted By: Rmay635703
Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
Saw this pop up active topics... What is "off road diesel"? I could google it sure, but figured i'd ask.
Hi sulphur with no tax, dyed red to mark
All diesel is the same sulpher. All ultra low sulpher. HAs been for at least 8 years.
Originally Posted By: HemiHawk
Saw this pop up active topics... What is "off road diesel"? I could google it sure, but figured i'd ask.
Hi sulphur with no tax, dyed red to mark
All diesel is the same sulpher. All ultra low sulpher. HAs been for at least 8 years.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: wwillson
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Really ask them for a search warrant!
They will park you and you'll wait until they get back with the warrant.
And what are the criteria they'd use to convince the judge to issue a warrant?
"He doesn't want to be searched".
I thought this was America!
This is America, however, if you refuse to allow a DOT officer to draw a sample of fuel from your diesel truck that you were driving on a public roadway, then that DOT officer my suspect you are using non-taxed fuel. That's probable cause. It's up to a judge to decide if issuing a search warrant would violate your right not to be illegally searched. The judge may issue a search warrant.
Originally Posted By: wwillson
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Really ask them for a search warrant!
They will park you and you'll wait until they get back with the warrant.
And what are the criteria they'd use to convince the judge to issue a warrant?
"He doesn't want to be searched".
I thought this was America!
This is America, however, if you refuse to allow a DOT officer to draw a sample of fuel from your diesel truck that you were driving on a public roadway, then that DOT officer my suspect you are using non-taxed fuel. That's probable cause. It's up to a judge to decide if issuing a search warrant would violate your right not to be illegally searched. The judge may issue a search warrant.
So this is just all about tax money?
We had off road premium gas that we used in quads and boats. New gas station owner got rid of it. We had to sign every time we bought it.
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Really ask them for a search warrant!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
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The motor vehicle exception is a legal rule in the United States that modifies the normal probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and, when applicable, allows a police officer to search a motor vehicle without a search warrant.[1]
Fine print probably applies, but SCOTUS rules on this stuff once in a while, most recently (e.g.) car tracking devices need warrant
I suspect demanding a warrant would be enough probable cause... lol
Really ask them for a search warrant!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
Quote:
The motor vehicle exception is a legal rule in the United States that modifies the normal probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and, when applicable, allows a police officer to search a motor vehicle without a search warrant.[1]
Fine print probably applies, but SCOTUS rules on this stuff once in a while, most recently (e.g.) car tracking devices need warrant
I suspect demanding a warrant would be enough probable cause... lol
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It is all about taxes, which are supposed to be (but which probably are not) for upkeep of the roads. If you use the fuel in a boat or in a farm vehicle, you are not using the roads, so no road tax.
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Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Really ask them for a search warrant!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
Quote:
The motor vehicle exception is a legal rule in the United States that modifies the normal probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and, when applicable, allows a police officer to search a motor vehicle without a search warrant.[1]
Fine print probably applies, but SCOTUS rules on this stuff once in a while, most recently (e.g.) car tracking devices need warrant
I suspect demanding a warrant would be enough probable cause... lol
That's a rip-off! Link
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Really ask them for a search warrant!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
Quote:
The motor vehicle exception is a legal rule in the United States that modifies the normal probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and, when applicable, allows a police officer to search a motor vehicle without a search warrant.[1]
Fine print probably applies, but SCOTUS rules on this stuff once in a while, most recently (e.g.) car tracking devices need warrant
I suspect demanding a warrant would be enough probable cause... lol
That's a rip-off! Link
Originally Posted By: newbe46
So this is just all about tax money?
Yes, but that's not the point. Try untaxed diesel here and see what happens, or refuse to submit taxes, and just respond that it's just tax money.
So this is just all about tax money?
Yes, but that's not the point. Try untaxed diesel here and see what happens, or refuse to submit taxes, and just respond that it's just tax money.
Originally Posted by simple_gifts
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Really ask them for a search warrant!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
Quote
The motor vehicle exception is a legal rule in the United States that modifies the normal probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and, when applicable, allows a police officer to search a motor vehicle without a search warrant.[1]
Fine print probably applies, but SCOTUS rules on this stuff once in a while, most recently (e.g.) car tracking devices need warrant
I suspect demanding a warrant would be enough probable cause... lol
That is a Catch 22. If you consent, you get searched. If you refuse, its probable cause for the issuance of a warrant, and you get searched. That logic writes the Fourth Amendment out of existence.
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Really ask them for a search warrant!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_exception
Quote
The motor vehicle exception is a legal rule in the United States that modifies the normal probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution and, when applicable, allows a police officer to search a motor vehicle without a search warrant.[1]
Fine print probably applies, but SCOTUS rules on this stuff once in a while, most recently (e.g.) car tracking devices need warrant
I suspect demanding a warrant would be enough probable cause... lol
That is a Catch 22. If you consent, you get searched. If you refuse, its probable cause for the issuance of a warrant, and you get searched. That logic writes the Fourth Amendment out of existence.
Used to be pretty hot on it in The Yook, as you might expect, given the high tax on fuel.
I was stopped a few times in a (petrol) Landrover, then waved on when they'd checked the fuel type. Looked into the "Fuel Testing Laboratory" (white caravan) and there was a guy holding up a beaker to the window to see if it was pink. Might be more tech now.
There were rumours of stills to get the pink out, "run by organised crime". I suppose its hard to run a still if you're disorganised.
I was stopped a few times in a (petrol) Landrover, then waved on when they'd checked the fuel type. Looked into the "Fuel Testing Laboratory" (white caravan) and there was a guy holding up a beaker to the window to see if it was pink. Might be more tech now.
There were rumours of stills to get the pink out, "run by organised crime". I suppose its hard to run a still if you're disorganised.
Originally Posted by The_Nuke
Speaking as someone who just got done buying 6 tanks of gasoline and ostensibly paying taxes on that gas to help in the upkeep on the 1800 miles of interstate I traveled while burning those 6 tanks of gas, I must admit to being a little peeved at the differing levels of application of those highway taxes. Texas looks to be applying their taxes appropriately, as does Georgia and Alabama. Mississippi isn't as vigilant it would appear, but Louisiana...oh Louisiana...
The majority of Louisiana gets a passing grade for application of highway taxes, but the state gets a HUGE fail overall just from how horrendous Shreveport's section of I-20 is. I have never seen a public highway in such a state of disrepair in all of my life! I couldn't go over 45 MPH through that city due to its poor roadway. There were literally pieces of vehicle, broken-off pieces of vehicles, littering the roadside in Shreveport as I jounced through town at a snail's pace.
For shame, Louisiana, FOR SHAME!!!
In Illinois they're resurfacing a highway that was perfectly fine and previously resurfaced ~3-4 years ago. Meanwhile we have another highway 10 miles away that has several potholes so deep that trucks will swerve to avoid it or gain air when they bounce out of it.
Speaking as someone who just got done buying 6 tanks of gasoline and ostensibly paying taxes on that gas to help in the upkeep on the 1800 miles of interstate I traveled while burning those 6 tanks of gas, I must admit to being a little peeved at the differing levels of application of those highway taxes. Texas looks to be applying their taxes appropriately, as does Georgia and Alabama. Mississippi isn't as vigilant it would appear, but Louisiana...oh Louisiana...
The majority of Louisiana gets a passing grade for application of highway taxes, but the state gets a HUGE fail overall just from how horrendous Shreveport's section of I-20 is. I have never seen a public highway in such a state of disrepair in all of my life! I couldn't go over 45 MPH through that city due to its poor roadway. There were literally pieces of vehicle, broken-off pieces of vehicles, littering the roadside in Shreveport as I jounced through town at a snail's pace.
For shame, Louisiana, FOR SHAME!!!
In Illinois they're resurfacing a highway that was perfectly fine and previously resurfaced ~3-4 years ago. Meanwhile we have another highway 10 miles away that has several potholes so deep that trucks will swerve to avoid it or gain air when they bounce out of it.
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Originally Posted by Gasbuggy
Never heard of anyone testing around PA/DE/MD
When my uncle had his own rig and ran his own route from central PA to FED EX near Carlisle he would usually see guys stopped for this.
Never heard of anyone testing around PA/DE/MD
When my uncle had his own rig and ran his own route from central PA to FED EX near Carlisle he would usually see guys stopped for this.
NC Governor allows Off-road diesel due to hurricane
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