Odyssey transmission failure?

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The 2004+ transmissions are more durable than the 2003- units. The 2003- units had five forward speeds running off just two shafts. The 2004+ transmissions use three shafts, and the newer ones even use four shafts I believe. These are not planetary-gear transmissions like many automatics; they're built internally very much like manual transmissions. You can even tow them four-wheels down behind an RV like you can a car with a manual; you cannot do that with most automatics. For that reason, Hondas are rather popular with full-time RVers.

Anyway, as someone else said, though the earlier V-6 transmissions were more prone to failure than their competitors, after 2004, their durability is competitive with their peers. Even on this 2001 unit, 160,000 miles out of an automatic transmission is a reasonable life, regardless of brand.

Overkill, would your mother-in-law be interested in trying a few drain/fill cycles to see if that would clean it up, at least temporarily? I think that's a prudent first step.
 
Thats why they are called "HONDAMATIC". Back in the days, they have their own thoughts about automatic..Still, they are very unique. Unique enough to get failed so often, my relatives, friends, co-workers all got transmission problems with their late model Honda. Accord, Odyssey, TL.
P.S I have not heard 4 cyl Honda have issues yet; at least not as frequent as V6. Also head the V6 transmission cant handle the Hi Output from the V6. Not sure.
 
Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Was the transmission serviced at regular intervals or is it running on factory fill?


It was serviced by the dealer, so if it was called for, it was done.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
The 2004+ transmissions are more durable than the 2003- units. The 2003- units had five forward speeds running off just two shafts. The 2004+ transmissions use three shafts, and the newer ones even use four shafts I believe. These are not planetary-gear transmissions like many automatics; they're built internally very much like manual transmissions. You can even tow them four-wheels down behind an RV like you can a car with a manual; you cannot do that with most automatics. For that reason, Hondas are rather popular with full-time RVers.

Anyway, as someone else said, though the earlier V-6 transmissions were more prone to failure than their competitors, after 2004, their durability is competitive with their peers. Even on this 2001 unit, 160,000 miles out of an automatic transmission is a reasonable life, regardless of brand.

Overkill, would your mother-in-law be interested in trying a few drain/fill cycles to see if that would clean it up, at least temporarily? I think that's a prudent first step.


Probably not. They are a pretty laid back couple and have just sort of accepted this as the fate of the van. Already sound like they have their heart set on another Focus, as they love the one they recently picked-up. That was the vibe I got from her when discussing it last night.
 
@OVERK1LL; i am not trying to hi jack the topic. But do you have a chance to drive the Focus? Any comments? What model you got? I am looking for a commuter, like Golf, Elantra, Focus...Can you please share. I know cars in Canada are more expensive than USA. But, what make you buy the focus? I like the 5 doors hatchback version.
 
Originally Posted By: 2008wrx
@OVERK1LL; i am not trying to hi jack the topic. But do you have a chance to drive the Focus? Any comments? What model you got? I am looking for a commuter, like Golf, Elantra, Focus...Can you please share. I know cars in Canada are more expensive than USA. But, what make you buy the focus? I like the 5 doors hatchback version.


It is a 2010. My wife has driven it, but I have not. If I get a chance I will and give you some feedback.
 
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
The 2004+ transmissions are more durable than the 2003- units. The 2003- units had five forward speeds running off just two shafts. The 2004+ transmissions use three shafts, and the newer ones even use four shafts I believe.


Correct. The 2007-2010 5spds for the Ody, Pilot and Ridgeline were a total re-designed 4-shaft unit.

They still had some Honda goofiness though, with torque converter issues and shift weirdness. They also designed them with an inline type ATF filter, but mounted it such that you can only get at it by dropping and disassembling the trans! Nice.

We've had good luck with our basic 2008 Ody LX, but we're only at 42Kmi. With 4 little kids and where we live, they ain't been easy.

I know for me, this transmission became MUCH more tolerable when I switched it over to Valvoline Maxlife ATF 2yrs ago. I'm about to do another drain/fill.

Joel
 
Originally Posted By: silverrat
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


It's comical really. The van really isn't that nice. Certainly no nicer than other vans of that vintage. I cannot see why it commands a premium, particularly given the transmission issues.


Really compare it to a 2001 Caravan, or Venture, Montana etc. and you'll see why it commands a premium.


Been in a pile of Caravans (don't have much exposure to GM vans) and no, I really don't see why it commands a premium.
 
....good luck if your Oddy's trans developes problems and your not using the Honda ATF stuff. That whole Honda generation from 98 to 02 AT's were a joke. I lost teh 02 Accord trans at 130K miles, they replaced it for 500 bucks. But, it sure didn't hurt buying three brand new Honda's from the same dealership either!
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Been in a pile of Caravans (don't have much exposure to GM vans) and no, I really don't see why it commands a premium.


This is going off-topic, but as a former owner of two Chrysler minivans (one new and one used), I'll pay extra for an Odyssey next time, if we ever do dip our toes back into the minivan pool again. The used van treated us better than the new one!
 
Originally Posted By: JTK
Correct. The 2007-2010 5spds for the Ody, Pilot and Ridgeline were a total re-designed 4-shaft unit.


I'm glad you mentioned that. A friend of mine with a 2010 Odyssey said that they went to "the MDX transmission" in 2007 with the Odyssey. I went back and looked and my '05 MDX does have a 4-shaft transmission. The MDX got this transmission in 2004. I thought it was a 3-shaft unit, but I am corrected; it is a 4-shaft unit.

I do know my CR-V has a 3-shaft transmission. I wonder if all 2-shaft transmissions were gone after 2003, and if the 4-cylinders and some V-6s used the 3-shaft units with the MDX/Pilot/Ridgeline having the then-new 4-shaft unit. Then by 2007, anything with a V-6 had the 4-shaft design maybe? I don't know.
 
Originally Posted By: hypervish
The Odyssey transmission are way better than Dodge Caravan's that's for sure...


I'm not so sure about that. I think in the age range that the problem is the most prevalent (which this van falls within) they are probably close. Honda may even be worse.
 
My parents used to have a 2004 Honda Odyssey. The transmission was slipping. I don't know what they did or where they took it to get it fixed. I was too young to remember.

If your car is still under warrenty, take it to the dealer. If not, take it to a shop that specializes in transmissions.
 
Your issue doesn't sound the same as the dreaded guaranteed failure of this gen of transmissions. It does sound like a solenoid/electronic issue if you can shut it off and it runs fine after that.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris Meutsch
Your issue doesn't sound the same as the dreaded guaranteed failure of this gen of transmissions. It does sound like a solenoid/electronic issue if you can shut it off and it runs fine after that.


Good point. I'll mention that to her.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL

Been in a pile of Caravans (don't have much exposure to GM vans) and no, I really don't see why it commands a premium.


You're right. Function and comfort wise, you're better off going with a lower cost option.

My take on the Ody after having owned a Windstar and driven many Chrysler variants is; For a 4400lb house on wheels, it's very different than the rest (atleast it used to be). It handles and drives like a go-cart and has more power than you need. It's by no means cushy, floaty, silent and kind of numb like some of the others.

Then again, with the jarring, crazy-azzz shifting of the trans, it forces you to stay on your senses! (kidding.. or am I??)

Joel
 
The used GM vans sell for less than used Honda vans because GM vans often get failed intake manifold gaskets or cylinder head gaskets, unlike the Honda van.

Also, the Honda van interiors hold up better than either a GM or Chrysler van.
 
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