NRA alternatives?

UltrafanUK · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: Ed_Flecko
I'm thinking hard about joining the NRA, primarily because of their political influence but I also think they're a great organization for a variety of additional reasons. I believe their political influence is, perhaps, more important now than ever.
Are there other organizations that you think are as worthy of joining, or maybe "better" and if so, why?
I live in California if that matters.
Ed

ISIS and many overseas terrorists support the NRA, without them they might not be able to get the right kind of military style semi automatics. The IRA still loves them and it will be interesting to see what type of handgun just killed a real good MP here. No official comments yet, but it sounds like it
was something odd, either a WW1 Webbley or a home made job thanks to some group in the US and bad net filters.

billt460 · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
ISIS and many overseas terrorists support the NRA, without them they might not be able to get the right kind of military style semi automatics. The IRA still loves them and it will be interesting to see what type of handgun just killed a real good MP here. No official comments yet, but it sounds like it
was something odd, either a WW1 Webbley or a home made job thanks to some group in the US and bad net filters.

As you were already told. We don't give a rats a$$ what you and you ignorant, enslaved, socialist ilk think or care. We have a Constitution that GUARANTEES our Right To Keep And Bear Arms. You don't. Keep bowing to your socialist, idiot leaders, who are taking you down the road to ruin. Both financially as well as socially. Go sell your stupid nonsense somewhere else. Because it's a sure bet no one is buying it here.

Win · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK
.... either a WW1 Webbley or a home made job thanks to some group in the US and bad net filters.

So it's our fault, and you are in favor of not just disarmament, but censorship of information flowing into your country?

Wow.

I have no polite words for people like you.

Good luck. I mean that very sincerely. Not necessarily to you, but to the people of your nation who might want to be free. They are going to need it.

hatt · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK

ISIS and many overseas terrorists support the NRA, without them they might not be able to get the right kind of military style semi automatics. The IRA still loves them and it will be interesting to see what type of handgun just killed a real good MP here. No official comments yet, but it sounds like it
was something odd, either a WW1 Webbley or a home made job thanks to some group in the US and bad net filters.

That will likely be the dumbest thing I read today. But it is early.

andrewg · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK

ISIS and many overseas terrorists support the NRA, without them they might not be able to get the right kind of military style semi automatics. The IRA still loves them and it will be interesting to see what type of handgun just killed a real good MP here. No official comments yet, but it sounds like it
was something odd, either a WW1 Webbley or a home made job thanks to some group in the US and bad net filters.

That will likely be the dumbest thing I read today. But it is early.

Western culture is in it's suicidal mode right now. It comes before the general fall.

Al · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK

ISIS and many overseas terrorists support the NRA, without them they might not be able to get the right kind of military style semi automatics. The IRA still loves them and it will be interesting to see what type of handgun just killed a real good MP here. No official comments yet, but it sounds like it
was something odd, either a WW1 Webbley or a home made job thanks to some group in the US and bad net filters.

Your posts become more and more bizaare.

Folks that were ambitious, intelligent, and craved an environment to exploit these capacities left Europe as early as 400 years ago. They passed these good genes on to their offspring. One of the reasons the U.S. was the undisputed learning and invention Mecca for the last 150+ years.

The folks that stayed behind (in Europe) were (and still are) statistically of lesser (ambition, and freedom craving wise) stock. So its reasonably easy to understand the babble that comes from present day Euro-weanies. Thank your gutless relatives for those traits.

CharlieBauer · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: Al
Folks that were ambitious, intelligent, and craved an environment to exploit these capacities left Europe as early as 400 years ago. They passed these good genes on to their offspring. One of the reasons the U.S. was the undisputed learning and invention Mecca for the last 150+ years.

Does the same logic apply to recent immigrants?

RoadRaceJosh · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: AZjeff
Originally Posted By: ET16
I am a NRA member, but I disagree with their politics. I think that the NRA has done us all a disservice by promoting military style weapons as they do.

A 1911 pistol is a military style weapon as is a 9mm Beretta. So is a Remington 700 bolt action. So are pump shotguns. 30.06 and .308 are military rounds. 98 Mauser is a military rifle no matter the caliber. Where would you like to stop?

10-round detachable magazine was where it stopped recently.

RoadRaceJosh · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: ET16
I would like to stop at a clip size of fewer than 10 rounds.

And what do you think that's going to accomplish? Look at the cities and states that have Hi-Cap magazine bans. They have higher crime rates than the cities and states that don't. Why do you people keep chasing stupid laws that do nothing, and don't work? It's idiotic.

You're reversing the cause-effect relationship. Guns restrictions in most places were passed in response to crime problems. The crime existed before the gun restrictions. That the laws didn't have the intended effect of reducing gun crime does not mean that the gun laws increased the number of crimes committed with guns. Had we national gun laws that were worth a hoot then the number of gun crimes would drop. As it is guns are highly portable and make their way from states where they are easy to buy into states and localities where they are not as easy to buy. For instance in Illinois just over have the guns used in crimes there come from out of state. https://tracetheguns.org/#/states/IL/imports/ Neighboring state Indiana exports a lot of guns and has few guns laws meant to curb gun trafficking. https://tracetheguns.org/#/states/IN/exports/

To show that magazine capacity restrictions fail or succeed is no small task. What metric do you want to measure? The number of mass shootings with high and restricted capacity magazines over time? The data set is almost certainly too small.

RoadRaceJosh · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: billt460
We had a nationwide Assault Weapons Ban in place in this country for 10 years. (1994-2004). It did nothing. The crime rate is lower today than when the ban was in place. Now the liberal Democrats want it reinstated. To do exactly what? More nothing?

Support your assertion please.

billt460 · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: Joshua_Skinner
Support your assertion please.

This is from the New York Times. One of the most liberal newspapers in the country. There are plenty more that say the same thing. As always, Google is your friend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html?_r=0

"But in the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference."

billt460 · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: Joshua_Skinner
Had we national gun laws that were worth a hoot then the number of gun crimes would drop.

Support your assertion. You had a national ban on "Assault Weapons" for a decade. It did nothing. Why do you support laws that have not worked? Don't work now. And will never work. What amount of failure is enough to satisfy the dimwitted liberal mind?

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/law-690664-magazines-state.html

https://mic.com/articles/24263/gun-contr...-mass-shootings

http://www.usafirearmtraining.com/law/magazine-capacity-limitations/

And still more on why the Assault Weapons Ban is as worthless as the paper it's printed on.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/costs-consequences-gun-control

"A federal ban was in place between 1994 and 2004, but Congress declined to renew it after studies showed it had no crime-reducing impact."

MolaKule · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: J Skinner
...That the laws didn't have the intended effect of reducing gun crime does not mean that the gun laws increased the number of crimes committed with guns. Had we national gun laws that were worth a hoot then the number of gun crimes would drop....

Excuse me, but didn't you just contradict yourself, or are you simply reading a script from one of the anti-gun groups?

Originally Posted By: J Skinner
For instance in Illinois just over have the guns used in crimes there come from out of state. https://tracetheguns.org/#/states/IL/imports/ Neighboring state Indiana exports a lot of guns and has few guns laws meant to curb gun trafficking. https://tracetheguns.org/#/states/IN/exports/

1) Illinois is known for its corruption - the same state where Obo heralds from,

2) Indiana is now the culprit instead of the corrupt Attorney General of Illinois, who gets his orders from the Obo Justice Dept,

3) What is the definition of Gun trafficking? Firearms dealers can only sell guns according to current laws.

Gun exchanges outside the law is done by CRIMINALS engaging in illegal firearm exchanges, usually for illegal street drugs, another illegal activity.

When are you Left Wingers going to get tough on crime and stop blaming inanimate objects for your sordid social engineering failures?

MolaKule · Jun 17, 2016

Originally Posted By: UltrafanUK

ISIS and many overseas terrorists support the NRA, without them they might not be able to get the right kind of military style semi automatics....

I guess it is true that ignorance is bliss.

Most guns are captured from Soviet and NATO units that had been overrun, while another supplier is Iran.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...s-a6736716.html

Quote:
Conflict Armament Research, which tracks illegal weapons in conflict zones, published a report last year highlighting ISIS' weapons arsenal by studying ammunition used by the militants. It showed the diversity of their arsenal, as ammunition was found that was manufactured in China, Russia, the U.S., Sudan and Iran.

http://www.ibtimes.com/how-isis-acquires...russian-2188758

I don't think Abu Omar has any association with the NRA.

https://next.ft.com/content/baad34e4-973c-11e5-9228-87e603d47bdc

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