Non Violent Protests In U.S.....

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
Dave, and the city should take care of the 10% of Chicago police who violated peoples civil rights. Police who break the laws that they swore to protect are especially dangerous. They are suppose to be role models and held to a higher standard. Unless you live in urban cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Miami, NYC, Detroit than you just won't get it.


I find it funny that you are on your high horse about criminal rights yet you have stated the police officer needs to be found guilty.

IMO in this instance I have no problem shooting a man wielding a knife. The issue I see is the continual shooting once he is down and posses no threat.


If the cop was justified for shooting him once, then what difference do the other 15 shots make?


It is simple. Once there is no threat then there is no justification to use of lethal force.

Why do you need to ask the question?

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
Dave, and the city should take care of the 10% of Chicago police who violated peoples civil rights. Police who break the laws that they swore to protect are especially dangerous. They are suppose to be role models and held to a higher standard. Unless you live in urban cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Miami, NYC, Detroit than you just won't get it.


I find it funny that you are on your high horse about criminal rights yet you have stated the police officer needs to be found guilty.

IMO in this instance I have no problem shooting a man wielding a knife. The issue I see is the continual shooting once he is down and posses no threat.


If the cop was justified for shooting him once, then what difference do the other 15 shots make?


It is simple. Once there is no threat then there is no justification to use of lethal force.

Why do you need to ask the question?


One shot is not lethal force? That's like saying it's more dangerous to light 16 matches, as opposed to lighting only one match while standing in a room filled with gasoline up to your knees...

 

[dave1251]

Reality just may be too much for your comprehension.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Reality just may be too much for your comprehension.


It's apparently too much for yours...I fail to see how one shot is not lethal...

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234

Quote:
So now the police are supposed to be psychologists, interventionists, legal experts, and pals with everyone.


Yes. The police should be psychologists. And if they can't separate a kid with a pocket knife from a real threat, they shouldn't be on the force. Law enforcement needs to wake up to the fact the law abiding citizens are tired of it.


Then I would have to classify you as an anti-cop, left-wing anarchist.

Here is something everyone should know: More police are injured or killed due to knife wounds than gun shots.

If anyone advances within the 21-foot zone with a knife or any weapon, he gets shot, period. Those are procedures, and are good procedures.

How many shots? You keep shooting (double tapping) until the threat ceases.

How many shots before the criminal stops? It depends on what the criminal is on, as in DRUGS.

You cannot assume the perp is advancing within the 21-foot zone to play cards, have a psychological discussion, sing Kumbhayah, discuss the latest football game, et., especially when he or she has disobeyed a direct police order.

Quote:
Law enforcement needs to wake up to the fact the law abiding citizens are tired of it.


And the BLM community needs to learn respect for fellow people of all colors, and learn respect for authority, and quit listening to OBO and Al Sharpton.

And I can tell you that law abiding citizens are getting real tired of you slash-and-burn anarchists and your divisive tactics.

 

[HerrStig]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
Dave, and the city should take care of the 10% of Chicago police who violated peoples civil rights. Police who break the laws that they swore to protect are especially dangerous. They are suppose to be role models and held to a higher standard. Unless you live in urban cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Miami, NYC, Detroit than you just won't get it.


I find it funny that you are on your high horse about criminal rights yet you have stated the police officer needs to be found guilty.

IMO in this instance I have no problem shooting a man wielding a knife. The issue I see is the continual shooting once he is down and posses no threat.


If the cop was justified for shooting him once, then what difference do the other 15 shots make?


It is simple. Once there is no threat then there is no justification to use of lethal force.

Why do you need to ask the question?
So shoot them in the arm, just like Hollywood?

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
andrew, perhaps there are geographic differences here? We're talking about police who suffer from PTSD from working high crime gang areas. But we need on the west side of Chicago police who understand the community. When confronting an individual they should use a more friendly conversation & investigation.


We can entertain your narrow opinion that BLM and these marches/protests only occur in the west side of Chicago...but that would be inaccurate.
The BLM fools marched in my city a week or so ago. They disrupted the downtown very similar to Chicago. They don't protest according to the law...they trespass onto private property...harass and intimidate good citizens trying to go shopping...and they tried to ruin a Christmas tree lighting ceremony. When asked why they think they have this "right" to do such things...the only answer these animals had was a selfish one. They said that what they are protesting is more important that the holiday or people shopping. So there you have it....only THEY can decide what is important to the city...the average person just trying to shop downtown? They don't matter.

The BLM needs to shut the old pie hole and go back home and try to fix the dysfunctional families most of them came from. They need to ask themselves why crime rates are so high in those communities....the absent fathers...the school drop out rates...etc. etc. etc.....and why they can't fix these issues at home instead of blaming the tired and overwhelmed police. Maybe they could also teach the kids they "raise" to respect authority and do what you are told when asked by a cop?! How many black lives would that save?

 

[HerrStig]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234

Quote:
So now the police are supposed to be psychologists, interventionists, legal experts, and pals with everyone.


Yes. The police should be psychologists. And if they can't separate a kid with a pocket knife from a real threat, they shouldn't be on the force. Law enforcement needs to wake up to the fact the law abiding citizens are tired of it.


Then I would have to classify you as an anti-cop, left-wing anarchist.

Here is something everyone should know: More police are injured or killed due to knife wounds than gun shots.

If anyone advances within the 21-foot zone with a knife or any weapon, he gets shot, period. Those are procedures, and are good procedures.

How many shots? You keep shooting (double tapping) until the threat ceases.

How many shots before the criminal stops? It depends on what the criminal is on, as in DRUGS.

You cannot assume the perp is advancing within the 21-foot zone to play cards, have a psychological discussion, sing Kumbhayah, discuss the latest football game, et., especially when he or she has disobeyed a direct police order.

Quote:
Law enforcement needs to wake up to the fact the law abiding citizens are tired of it.


And the BLM community needs to learn respect for fellow people of all colors, and learn respect for authority, and quit listening to OBO and Al Sharpton.

And I can tell you that law abiding citizens are getting real tired of you slash-and-burn anarchists and your divisive tactics.
+1

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
When asked why they think they have this "right" to do such things...the only answer these animals had was a selfish one. They said that what they are protesting is more important that the holiday or people shopping. So there you have it....only THEY can decide what is important to the city...the average person just trying to shop downtown? They don't matter.


They should call themselves, Only Anarchists Lives Matter.

They are simply thugs, criminals, Black Panther Left-Wing Anarchists, and radical Islamists.

They should be classified as, "Home Grown Terrorists."

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Reality just may be too much for your comprehension.


It's apparently too much for yours...I fail to see how one shot is not lethal...


Hardly. Once the knife wielding suspect has been hit and is on the ground there is no need for additional use of deadly force. There is no threat.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Reality just may be too much for your comprehension.


It's apparently too much for yours...I fail to see how one shot is not lethal...


Hardly. Once the knife wielding suspect has been hit and is on the ground there is no need for additional use of deadly force. There is no threat.


At that point, he was probably already dead...I fail to see why 15 more shots is such an atrocity...

 

[dave1251]

Originally Posted By: grampi
At that point, he was probably already dead...I fail to see why 15 more shots is such an atrocity...


OK.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: dave1251


...Hardly. Once the knife wielding suspect has been hit and is on the ground there is no need for additional use of deadly force. There is no threat...


That is not always the case. Just because a suspect is down does not mean he is no longer a threat. He could still be so hyped-up that he could pull a gun and shoot you.

However, after a double or triple tap and the suspect is down or immobile, one should approach the suspect cautiously and determine any if any further interventions are needed.

I wonder what info the shooting LEO was was given when he arrived on the scene? This could have profound consequences wrt to the case.

 

[qwerty1234]

It's a shame that the police union is paying for the officers lawyer. Costing the tax payers even more money. His wife tried to start a "go fund me" account but it got shut down due to it being a criminal case and threats against the family.

 

[GMZ]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
It's a shame that the police union is paying for the officers lawyer. Costing the tax payers even more money. His wife tried to start a "go fund me" account but it got shut down due to it being a criminal case and threats against the family.


Since when do taxpayers fund the police union? Im sure you meant indirectly through dues paid by the officers salaries which are funded by tax revenues. Right???

Thats what the union is there for, Id be surprised if they didn't provide a lawyer. Seems like they came out and charged him with murder 1 in a hurry to appease the masses, unlikely they will convict on that charge though. We call that a Kansas City Shuffle.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
It's a shame that the police union is paying for the officers lawyer. Costing the tax payers even more money...


It's a shame you can't get your facts straight before making anti-LEO comments.

A police union often helps with legal issues such as this and the taxpayer does not pay for this.

A police offer deserves a proper legal defense as does anyone accused of a crime.

Your anti-LEO, convict the cop attitude, says a lot about your lack of how the legal system works, and much more, your lack of understanding of the phrase, "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law.

It also shows your bias and underlying agenda.

 

[grampi]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
It's a shame that the police union is paying for the officers lawyer. Costing the tax payers even more money...


It's a shame you can't get your facts straight before making anti-LEO comments.

A police union often helps with legal issues such as this and the taxpayer does not pay for this.

A police offer deserves a proper legal defense as does anyone accused of a crime.

Your anti-LEO, convict the cop attitude, says a lot about your lack of how the legal system works, and much more, your lack of understanding of the phrase, "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law.

It also shows your bias and underlying agenda.


It's painfully obvious that qwerty1234 wants utter chaos and anarchy everywhere...

 

[yeti]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
It's a shame that the police union is paying for the officers lawyer. Costing the tax payers even more money...


It's a shame you can't get your facts straight before making anti-LEO comments.

A police union often helps with legal issues such as this and the taxpayer does not pay for this.

A police offer deserves a proper legal defense as does anyone accused of a crime.

Your anti-LEO, convict the cop attitude, says a lot about your lack of how the legal system works, and much more, your lack of understanding of the phrase, "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law.



molakule -- you and astro are ruining things here, in terms of using facts in your posts.I mean, why let facts get in the way of a good discussion ?
since the bitog bee sss is hilarious, you and astro are killing off a lot of laughs/entertainment.as well, haters 'gonna hate -- be it a car brand, fridge brand, tire brand,cops, etc.
just sayin'. have a good day, guys.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: qwerty1234
It's a shame that the police union is paying for the officers lawyer. Costing the tax payers even more money. His wife tried to start a "go fund me" account but it got shut down due to it being a criminal case and threats against the family.


Right! Like the entire BLM movement hasn't cost the taxpayers all kinds of money!

You aren't one darn bit worried about the "tax payer". You could not care less as long as the tax payer concurs with YOUR beliefs. If they don't....you make them suffer through protests and marches. You FORCE them to pay attention to you...even if it means you disobey the law, cost the tax payers to police these extortion events, and prevent a decent person from simply wanting to go shopping downtown.

 

[dave1251]

Who said anything about shooting him the arm? If you shoot you shoot to kill, once the person the incapacitated you don't shoot a person that is not a threat and unload close to a dozen rounds into a person that is near motionless on the ground armed with a knife.

In this case this young man after being shot twice was not threat.