Non-Human Intelligence on Earth/a man with some credentials

[hemioiler]

Could, should, maybe. Again it defies physics and fluid dynamics. Remember the tic tac is a smooth object about the size of a school bus. It needs to generate lift using some form of energy. How does it do that without control surfaces? How does it generate the amount of energy to move faster than a fighter jet in multiple directions while having a worse drag coefficient?

Again, the default needs to be "this is human made" until proven otherwise. Speculation and not understanding what you're seeing doesn't mean you should jump to believing in aliens.

 

[hemioiler]

The principle you’re using here is Occam’s Razor, which states that the simplest answer to the unexplained is usually the best one.

A complimentary scientific philosophy is the principle of multiple working hypotheses. This principle states that whenever an unexplained observation is made, creating multiple potentially plausible explanations can be beneficial to keep biases from affecting the analysis. This keeps the effort on falsifying several hypotheses rather than attempting to prove a single one and running the risk of confirmation bias.

Regarding “everything we know about space, time, physics, etc.” suggesting that there is no nonhuman intelligence (either terrestrial in origin or extraterrestrial) with an awareness greater than humanity’s, I’m not certain that’s entirely accurate to say so definitely. To be clear: nonhuman intelligence certainly does not seem likely, and Occam’s Razor is fine to apply, but so is multiple working hypotheses.

Fermi’s paradox could be neatly wrapped up, for example, if (big if) the reason we have not made contact yet is because we are purposely not being contacted. We have very little knowledge of our own deep oceans. We have good reason to hypothesize that conditions for life exist currently in our own solar system in several locations. We recognize that H. sapiens sapiens have only existed for the past roughly 100,000 years, and have only been scientifically literate for roughly 500 of those years, which we know is an incredibly short period of time in the context of deep time. We are still struggling to create a unified theory of physics to mesh relativity with quantum theory.

All this is to say, we need to be humble as a species. Because our scientific progress has been good, ironically, there’s now a lot we know we do not know.

Occam’s Razor suggests this, but it does not falsify any other explanation. Carl Sagan said, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” This certainly applies here. Just bear in mind, extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary change.

You're getting lost in the weeds my friend. There are no multiple working hypothesis, that's the point .The only credible one is "man made".

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Again, the default needs to be "this is human made" until proven otherwise. Speculation and not understanding what you're seeing doesn't mean you should jump to believing in aliens.

I am actually considering it a man made. Have you thought of how it could be done?

 

[buster]

Again, the default needs to be "this is human made" until proven otherwise. Speculation and not understanding what you're seeing doesn't mean you should jump to believing in aliens.

No, the default is "we don't know."

 

[buster]

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=131506

Abstract

“Plasmas” up to a kilometer in size and behaving similarly to multicellular organisms have been filmed on 10 separate NASA space shuttle missions, over 200 miles above Earth within the thermosphere. These self-illuminated “plasmas” are attracted to and may “feed on” electromagnetic radiation. They have different morphologies: 1) cone, 2) cloud, 3) donut, 4) spherical-cylindrical; and have been filmed flying towards and descending from the thermosphere into thunderstorms; congregating by the hundreds and interacting with satellites generating electromagnetic activity; approaching the Space Shuttles. Computerized analysis of flight path trajectories documents these plasmas travel at different velocities from different directions and change their angle of trajectory making 45°, 90°, and 180° shifts and follow each other. They’ve been filmed accelerating, slowing down, stopping, congregating, engaging in “hunter-predatory” behavior and intersecting plasmas leaving a plasma dust trail in their wake. Similar life-like behaviors have been demonstrated by plasmas created experimentally. “Plasmas” may have been photographed in the 1940s by WWII pilots (identified as “Foo fighters”);

 

[Pablo]

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=131506

Abstract

“Plasmas” up to a kilometer in size and behaving similarly to multicellular organisms have been filmed on 10 separate NASA space shuttle missions, over 200 miles above Earth within the thermosphere. These self-illuminated “plasmas” are attracted to and may “feed on” electromagnetic radiation. They have different morphologies: 1) cone, 2) cloud, 3) donut, 4) spherical-cylindrical; and have been filmed flying towards and descending from the thermosphere into thunderstorms; congregating by the hundreds and interacting with satellites generating electromagnetic activity; approaching the Space Shuttles. Computerized analysis of flight path trajectories documents these plasmas travel at different velocities from different directions and change their angle of trajectory making 45°, 90°, and 180° shifts and follow each other. They’ve been filmed accelerating, slowing down, stopping, congregating, engaging in “hunter-predatory” behavior and intersecting plasmas leaving a plasma dust trail in their wake. Similar life-like behaviors have been demonstrated by plasmas created experimentally. “Plasmas” may have been photographed in the 1940s by WWII pilots (identified as “Foo fighters”);

I posted in one of the UFO threads about this. We dunno enough about plasma behavior in the wild so to speak.

We also should fear Miyake events more! But unrelated to topics at hand.

 

[buster]

https://public.amplenote.com/bhsdRVwHti333KHj9yzBg5zi

Nice summary here. 90% are usually explainable.

 

[mr_boring]

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=131506

Abstract

“Plasmas” up to a kilometer in size and behaving similarly to multicellular organisms have been filmed on 10 separate NASA space shuttle missions, over 200 miles above Earth within the thermosphere. These self-illuminated “plasmas” are attracted to and may “feed on” electromagnetic radiation. They have different morphologies: 1) cone, 2) cloud, 3) donut, 4) spherical-cylindrical; and have been filmed flying towards and descending from the thermosphere into thunderstorms; congregating by the hundreds and interacting with satellites generating electromagnetic activity; approaching the Space Shuttles. Computerized analysis of flight path trajectories documents these plasmas travel at different velocities from different directions and change their angle of trajectory making 45°, 90°, and 180° shifts and follow each other. They’ve been filmed accelerating, slowing down, stopping, congregating, engaging in “hunter-predatory” behavior and intersecting plasmas leaving a plasma dust trail in their wake. Similar life-like behaviors have been demonstrated by plasmas created experimentally. “Plasmas” may have been photographed in the 1940s by WWII pilots (identified as “Foo fighters”);

This is a fascinating read but my brain struggles to understand what it is trying to say.

Its plasma, the 4th state of matter. 100% not alive. Gets infused with space dust (inorganic, by all accounts {to my understanding}) and becomes sentient though electromagnetic voodoo. Eats radiation like an Godzilla algae mass. Forms ORGANIC material though said voodoo. Smaller non-living inorganic yet organic voodoo masses visit Space Shuttle. Rocket scientists back on Earth don't want to talk about it. (strong Sopranos 'whatever happened there' vibes, no?)

Oh, and this weirdo stuff wasn't just first reported by the Shuttle missions. Seems like it was going on way before we started shooting all sorts of man made stuff into space. Reported by men in very primitive (by todays standards) space going vessels. One of the fellas who walked on the moon talked about looking at these weirdo objects though a telescope. From a space ship.

Section 4 is all conjecture, but it's the section that claims that space dust and plasma hook up and create non-alive life, and then you have the rest of it which leads me to conclude:

it's ghosts....... yeah, that makes sense......

 

[hemioiler]

I am actually considering it a man made. Have you thought of how it could be done?

I don't give any thought to it beyond the obvious (gotta be man made). It's just not a topic I'm terribly interested in and I probably shouldn't have waded into this thread in the first place.

 

[hemioiler]

No, the default is "we don't know."

Those aren't mutually exclusive; the one ("what is that thing? Don't know...") can lead to the next ("but it has to be man made").

 

[IndyIan]

Or we may have been put here by them a couple thousand years ago

I don't think so, perhaps someone dropped off a few spores 3.8 billion years ago, just to see what happens?