Nokian; WRG2 vs. Hakka R??

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Originally Posted By: Rand
...............and nokian is wierd for instance the hakka 5 in usa is the hakka 7 in europe.,,,,,,,


Not so. Hakka 5 and Hakka 7 are 2 different models, and both are/were available in usa and european market. H5 is the older version, H7 is the latest.
 
Thanks, AstroTurf, for posting a link to that ConsumerSearch site. I was a bit skeptical at first because you never can be sure of the commercial interests behind a website … but I like to think I have an open mind so I read with interest. They seemed to do a pretty good job summarizing a number of different tire tests they have found on the web … not an easy thing to do as different tests omit different tires.

Their summation seems to be that the Michelin X-Ice Xi2 is the best all around tire … but that’s still debatable as they say it is the best on ice … but the Nokian Hakkapeliita R is better in deep snow. So, a buyer has to decide which condition is more important. Also, the Continental Extreme Winter Contact was close to the Micheline X-Ice (even favored in some areas like deep snow) but it was a Tire Rack test which did not include the Hakka R. Very hard to get an apples-to-apples-to-apples comparison.

This year, I am junking my worn out, studded, Nokian Hakkapeliita 2s and am going with a set of the studless Hakka Rs. While I enjoyed the studded Hakka 2s, especially in icy conditions, we don’t see enough ice here to justify the noise and vibration associated with studded tires. The Hakka 2s I used featured Nokian’s “eco-stud” system which had a softer rubber compound in the seat of the stud hole that was supposed to be less damaging to road surfaces. Their new “Air Claw” stud system uses an air chamber to (supposedly) make the stud noise/vibration less noticeable. Thanks, maybe next time. I drive from NY to Connecticut every Christmas and am still suffering a bit of post-stud PTSD from the long-ish trip.

The low rolling resistance of the Hakka Rs are just gravy as I do take at least one long-ish trip each holiday season.

The difference in price between Nokians and the others is easy for me to justify as I will have these tires at least 6-7 years (making the $ per year insignificant) and the shop that sells Nokians is my favorite local mechanic and I feel like I don’t give him enough business.
 
A couple things that I find interesting about this topic, and the article I posted are...

That the Nokian WR G2 tire which is an all season tire, even found it's way into tire tests pertaining to dedicated snow tires. I do not believe that that can be said for any other all season tires. It speaks volumes to me of the tires capabilities.

I will also admit that I am biased towards the Nokian tires, as I have owned a set. I would now be on my second set, but I could not pass up my current set of 5 Michelin LTX MS never mounted tires for 103 dollars.

Take Care Everyone, Jim
 
I like the Hakka R's on my Cruze so far. They're about everything I could want in a tire. My fuel economy also hasn't taken a massive hit switching from dedicated LRR tires. Maybe 1-2 mpg at the most.

If we ever get any snow, I'll update with snow performance.
 
Originally Posted By: AstroTurf
A couple things that I find interesting about this topic, and the article I posted are...

That the Nokian WR G2 tire which is an all season tire, even found it's way into tire tests pertaining to dedicated snow tires. I do not believe that that can be said for any other all season tires. It speaks volumes to me of the tires capabilities.


^^^Which is WHY I started this thread in the first place!!

I was trying to get a handle on just how much worse (even subjectively!!) the G2s would be as compared to the Rs in the worst winter conditions, vs. just how much better the G2s would be in dry, COLD handling, and possibly dry road WEAR.

But I guess that unless someone has had BOTH of these tires on the same car, for all of the conditions involved, I'll NEVER know the answer to that.
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My experience with winter tires has been the best on Ice have been Bridgestone Blizzack WS-50 (garbage though on dry/wet).

I have owned a few sets of the Nokian WR G2 type tires (NRW>WR>WR G2). The series only got better of the all-season + winter.

My wife had the Nokian WR G2's on her 2005 Subaru Legacy turbo in 215/45/17 she ran year round. They were incredible in rain and slush. The snow capability was decent and ice better than an all-season.

As far as winter capability they are way more than an all-season even a the "best" one. Case in point our worn but not quite worn out 45k old Nokian WR G2 got ruined by a manhole at high speed. Due to funds we put Conti ExtremeContact DWS on($180 cheaper). My wife right away said less capable brand new on snow/ice than our 45k WR G2's. (disappointing.....)

I think ice is not WR G2 strong point but some snow tires on par I have owned. Also dry traction in hot summer is average all-season.

When my we wear out our Conti ExtremeContact's DWS I will likely just go back to WR G2's.

I cannot say much on the true winter tires you are posting about. Also I have not just AWD but an incredible system on vehicle(Subaru). In my locale of coastal NH I don't think true winter tires are warranted. I think NJ and same but RWD maybe a serious enough handicap.

The problem is on dry days snow tires are bleech in my past experience. I know improved but still...There are so few days in the winter where best winter tires are really required.
 
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Originally Posted By: rjundi
The problem is on dry days snow tires are bleech in my past experience. I know improved but still...There are so few days in the winter where best winter tires are really required.


I could even live with the squirmy, spongy, "bleech" handling of pure Q, R, or T rated winter tires (NO matter WHAT I get, they still have to be 20mm narrower, and 5% higher profile, than stock OEM anyway
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What I CANNOT live with is them 'burning up'/wearing out very quickly on the majority of those said bone dry (but still cold) days when the 'hardcore' winters are really needed.
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Even if I knew for sure that the G2s were no worse than all of the other H, and V rated 'performance' winters out there (Primacy Alpin, Dunlop SP WS 3Ds, etc.) in 'real' winter conditions (no matter how rare here) I would not even hesitate to 'pull the trigger' on them.
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But does ANYONE know this???!
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
............I was trying to get a handle on just how much worse (even subjectively!!) the G2s would be as compared to the Rs in the worst winter conditions, vs. just how much better the G2s would be in dry, COLD handling, and possibly dry road WEAR.

But I guess that unless someone has had BOTH of these tires on the same car, for all of the conditions involved, I'll NEVER know the answer to that.
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Here is a comparison of the WRG2 vs HakkaR vs Hakka7 vs other tires:

http://extra.expressen.se/pdf/101109-dacktest.pdf
 
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