Apparently the NHTSA is digging in and has posted a letter of compliance that Tesla has till July 19th to show all satisfactory updates to its FSD and Autopilot software after it was found to break the law and have alot of issues. 363,000 and possibly more vehicles are part of the recall. Civil penalties will occur if not met. As a side note the Muskrat is now "promising " " Complete full- autonomous " level 5 vehicles by the end of the year. Where have I heard this before?
NHTSA Gives Tesla Two Weeks To Show Its Work On Autopilot And FSD
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At least he is doing it. Trust it at your own peril.
I'm surprised more haven't replied. This is kind of a huge deal. Unfortunately Tesla owners look at bad news like it's a conspiracy against the company.
Most of us are not triggered by Tesla/Musk.
I don't care much for Elon Musk, but I own a Tesla. I've not been quiet about the things I don't like about the company. I like the cars. I don't like how some cars just never seem to come out, but what they make now is good. I think "AutoPilot" and FSD is a huge joke and should be illegal to call them that. I found it even funnier when I found out the base lanekeep assist and adaptive cruise is what is actually referred to as AutoPilot.
Elon Musk is his only worst enemy on how this FSD stuff has been handled. His marketing of it is far beyond what the system is capable of and had he never called it that and made these stupid promises, no one would care. It would be no differently treated than any other driver assist feature out there.
Driven several teslas, they have been very unimpressive.
So called autopilot, is good for people who prefer being in the ditch.
Tesla cars, just like tesla stock, are oversold, and really not that great.
Tesla stock is over valued right now, when the bubble bursts people will be crying.
Their cars make big promises, but disappointing.
Musk may own 12% of tesla, but he seems distracted playing space x, and is neglecting tesla.
I strongly believe that in 10 years tesla stock will have plummeted, and its cars will be substandard to ev offerings from big players like Mercedes, Ford, GM, etc.
Self driving cars do a terrible job of it, and tesla is far behind some other brands already in that technology.
So called autopilot, is good for people who prefer being in the ditch.
Tesla cars, just like tesla stock, are oversold, and really not that great.
Tesla stock is over valued right now, when the bubble bursts people will be crying.
Their cars make big promises, but disappointing.
Musk may own 12% of tesla, but he seems distracted playing space x, and is neglecting tesla.
I strongly believe that in 10 years tesla stock will have plummeted, and its cars will be substandard to ev offerings from big players like Mercedes, Ford, GM, etc.
Self driving cars do a terrible job of it, and tesla is far behind some other brands already in that technology.
Hard to really put much weight into whats been ongoing since 2016. Just more of the same.
Like Mercedes Benz and Acura
I have driven the roadster albeit not very far and have driven the S and X when I worked for a dealership that specialized in Hybrids and Electric vehicles. We managed to get some real oddballs. The Mitsubishi I-Miev comes to mind. Other than torquey and quick the build quality was abysmal. My biggest complaint is that Musk says he wants to "save the planet " but from what I can tell Tesla is more or less making throw away vehicles. The model S door handles are $900 per door to replace not including labor. The Falcon doors on the X from what I remember recently a guy in England left it open then caught the side of a double decker bus and was quoted $8k for the door and hardware. Nobody in their right mind is going to fork over $16k dollars in repairs on a 200k mile Tesla.
At what point is it considered fraud?
Full Self Driving is probably the definition of it.
I'll reply. I hope they fine and sue the **** out of them.
You'll see just how fast they either fix or disable the system.The early cars while being more expensive are also more novelty. The Falcon doors and those handles are the perfect example. I don’t think it’s any surprise the Y and the 3 doesn’t have this nonsense. It’s kind of amusing that they went pretty traditional with basic systems in these later cars. I wouldn’t own one if it wasn’t for all of that. With the simplicity and the length of the warranty on the battery and motors I think it’s an easy choice to buy one. I just can’t see a reason why I would want an X. The Roadster on the other hand is definitively is exactly what we would think it would be. A low production design exercise and it’s fine as that. There aren’t many dailying the Lotus Elise it’s based on either.
If /when the company chooses to recognizes revenue it doesn't deliver what it contractually states it was supposed to when one bought it - then its fraud.
Tesla hasn't recognized any revenue for it and all money has been set aside in a bucket in case a refund is due.
If you dont own a telsa with that feature or tesla stock why should you care ?
FSD is impossible. There I said it. No computer and camera system can account for all variables while driving.
For those who may not fully understand @UncleDave #14 post, the revenue is defined as "Deferred Revenue", which is a liability account on the Balance Sheet. Until the terms are satisfied, those monies may need to be returned to the customer. In capital equipment, there may be formal documents required to satisfy the terms before Revenue Recognition. These rules are known under SAB 101, SAB 104 and others by the SEC.
It looks like they chose to recognize some of this revenue - so these owners if they know who they are are free to sue away!
Try explaining that to a heavy Kool Aid drinking Tesla FSD user. It'll make you sick hearing how stupid the response is. Many refuse to recognize the very basis on how it works is exactly why it's not capable to be Full Self Driving as the name suggests.
As you know, a portion of the revenue may be recognized if some part of the product or service has been completed, such as installation.
It depends on the rules stipulated. And they are industry, company and even product discrete. often poorly defined in my experience.
If VW can be fined 38 billion for deceiving the epa and lets face it if Virginia Tech didn't have automotive engineering students they may never have been caught. Tesla with their Fraudulent marketing should be fined 38 billion. Engineers have repeatedly told the NHTSA and others that the video posted on the Website was a lie. One vehicle was totalled and the vehicle required constant driver input. The model x used also had proprietary hardware and software not used on production vehicles. All of this while Musk goes on to say "No driver input was ever needed the vehicle drove itself."