Newbie to BITOG Hello and many thanks

[SuperEd73]

Hi there,
I just joined BITOG but I've been reading many posts on this site over the past few weeks. Just wanted to say thanks to all of you that have made this site a great resource and have greatly expanded my knowledge of oil/OCIs/proper viscosity/which oils should be used, etc. I really never even heard about UOA until I started looking at this site. I also now know that I should probably stay away from the Fram "Orange Can of Death". Really great stuff.

I have two different cars and they are quite different. My main vehicle is a 2002 Subaru WRX that I bought brand new. It is now approaching 80,000 miles and so far it's been pretty smooth sailing. I've been using M1 5w30 for the past 30,000 miles or so. Thanks to the great info on this site, I'm looking forward to geting a UOA performed when I'm due for my next oil dump. I hope it's one of those "boring" ones that I tend to see with other Subie owners on this site.

Like some other users of M1 have reported, I do eat a little bit of oil during OCIs but it tends to vary. Sometimes I'll go 2,000 miles and barely burn anything but other times I'll burn a quart or so over the same span or even less miles.

My fun car is a 1968 Dodge Polara with a 383 big block. That one has almost 126,000 on it. I only purchased it a few months ago but once again BITOG members have steered me to the proper oil choice. Right now it has Rotella 15w40 sitting in the pan. Doing a UOA might be a while since it's not an everyday car so mileage doesn't pile up very quickly.

One question I do have presently. Does anybody have any experience using the Auto-Rx in an old engine such as my 383? Curious of the results.

Again many thanks.

Ed B.

 

[ericthepig]

Welcome! My first two cars were Subies. The rally oriented Subies and Mazdas are at the top of my wish list when my 88 323 gets the tow truck drive into the sunset.

There's a lot of anecdotal stuff going around on M1's consumption rates. Might want to look into that.

 

[Dr_No]

Ugh, orange can of death... look at what the ignorant people have done to the new guys.
He's brainwashed,
Fram is a good filter, with good media. But they are just over-priced. It is an issue that is "overblown" by many metal end cap users and their pride.
The facts are, fram won't cause "I had zero oil pressure during idle!!!" and the truth is, it's not going to collapse unless your driving a space shuttle. The stories are just like "Pennzwax" and have nothing to them except for a branch like parrafin. Fram and Cardboard endcaps.

SuperEd, Honda's filters are made by Fram. I'm sure honda has made sure the filters won't cause a loss in oil pressure or do whatever else people have claimed before signing any papers.

Although some may beg to differ.

 

[daman]

Orange can of death is right

,leave it on the shelf,grab a PureOne,WIX,NG, alot better filter for the $$.

 

[TallPaul]

When you can get a Wix filter, why consider any other brand? Save a few bucks? Does it really matter? Think of all the $$$$ poured through the fuel tank and they we worry about a few bucks for a filter.

Everything I own gets Wix oil filters.

 

[newtoncd8]

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SuperEd, Honda's filters are made by Fram. I'm sure honda has made sure the filters won't cause a loss in oil pressure or do whatever else people have claimed before signing any papers.

Although some may beg to differ.

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Just a clarifiation, the statement about Fram making Honda filters is only partially correct. In the US, Filtech also makes Honda filters and uses metal end caps for the same price as the Fram version.

 

[Dr_No]

That is the problem with this board, some people just say their opinon in a way that is not human-like and over suggestive.

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Orange can of death is right

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Well once again I am over taken by the Fram Bashers inc. Take what I have said to mind is all I ask.


I guess you could say my

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[Dr_No]

Oh so Fram still makes Honda filters, whats your point?

Anyways, lets not take this too far by stealing this new guys post

 

[SuperEd73]

Hi, Newbie again.

Sorry! I didn't mean to create a new battle about Fram Orange Can.... Really the main reason I decided to stay away from it is the weak ADBV design (from what I've read) and the relatively small amount of filtering material compared to other brand's products such as Wix, Purlator/Motorcraft (I believe Purlator makes the FL1A), Napa, etc.

 

[Johnny]

SuperEd73,

You might want to contact Frank with Auto-Rx about your 68. The only question I would have is what would it do to the old seals. There have been great advancments in seal material since the 60's. Other than that, it should work great in your 383.

You have two fine automobiles there.

And IMHO, if anyone wants to get in a product debate, start a new thread on it, like in the filter section. This is SuperEd's post.

 

[glenncof]

Welcome Ed. This is a "general" comment.

Here you'll find generalizations are often shown to be wrong.

Fram is an example.

They have some filters top notch filtration, some with metal end caps, and some with full synthetic media w/wire-backing.

You (or I if you need help) may be able to find one which is better in your application and lower cost than what you are using now.

Everything has trade-offs. Keep an open mind for objective evaluation by looking at what is good.

I'm not a fan of M1 oil generally (where is that Visom stuff going? Europe ?) but 0W40 and 10W30 High Mileage are standout. Does that put M1 5W30 in "Can of Death" catagory ?

No, it puts it in a high price/mid performance "in my mind". To me that sounds kinda like Fram 'generally'. Like I said generallities are often shown to be wrong.

Welcome again.

 

[BillWilson]

I am also new and learning.

Best Regards,

 

[daman]

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That is the problem with this board, some people just say their opinon in a way that is not human-like and over suggestive.

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Orange can of death is right

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Well once again I am over taken by the Fram Bashers inc. Take what I have said to mind is all I ask.


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Oh give me a break

.....he wanted our opinion and he's
getting some.

 

[ericthepig]

SuperEd, yes, when I mentioned the M1 consumption theory, I meant M1 reg. lines and EP - not 0w40 or the HMs.

But I also see posts where people are running M1 5w30 and getting no consumption and are very happy with it. It may be engine dependent.

 

[daman]

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But I also see posts where people are running M1 5w30 and getting no consumption and are very happy with it. It may be engine dependent.

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My fleet of GM v6's has no consumption none at all.

 

[Johnny]

daman, I respectfully disagree. This is the only question that he asked that he wanted our opinion on.

"One question I do have presently. Does anybody have any experience using the Auto-Rx in an old engine such as my 383? Curious of the results. "

 

[daman]

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daman, I respectfully disagree. This is the only question that he asked that he wanted our opinion on.

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Well then ok let me rephrase my statement, i'm just reassuring what he already knows.

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I also now know that I should probably stay away from the Fram "Orange Can of Death".

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[mechtech2]

Welcome SuperEd!
If you have read where people have cut open Fram oil filters and found inferior innards, then you have learned something of value around here.