New Valvoline Extended Protection

[thunderous1335]

They publish it on the SDS when they do, such as with EP 0w20. Also ESP X2 0w20 lists it.

So say it has 80 ppm of trimer. How much regular moly would be needed to match or supercede that amount?

 

[IndyFan]

So say it has 80 ppm of trimer. How much regular moly would be needed to match or supercede that amount?

You're way above my head with that, so I'll defer to one of our resident chemists to enlighten us both.

 

[OVERKILL]

Is there proof M1 actually uses trime

Already answered, but Mobil co-owns Infineum, which pushes trimer's benefits.

So say it has 80 ppm of trimer. How much regular moly would be needed to match or supercede that amount?

I've posted charts from Infineum on this, can probably find them with the search function.

 

[Deleted member 89374]

Is there proof M1 actually uses trimer?

It's somewhat amusing that in 2021 anyone on this forum has to wonder if Mobil 1 motor oil uses Trinuclear Molybdenum. I'm not saying this in a mean way. Please understand that ExxonMobil has no reason not to use it since, as @OVERKILL already said, ExxonMobil co-owns Infineum with Royal Dutch Shell. In contrast, BP/Castrol has cross-licensing agreements with Infineum. Not only that, but Infineum's patent expired in 2016: https://patents.google.com/patent/US6232276B1/en. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lubrizol, Afton Chemicals, and others are making additive packages for various blenders that contain Trinuclear Molybdenum additives. Castrol EDGE and EDGE EP (ILSAC oils) contain both Trinuclear Molybdenum and Titanium, and they work together in synergy. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this one.

I've posted charts from Infineum on this, can probably find them with the search function.

I just uploaded the full PDF here: https://workupload.com/file/nhUTYBWbkWv.

I hope this helps.

 

[busdriver]

Where are you getting details on the additive package beyond the basic stuff we see in a VOA? Also, they may be using dimer moly instead of trimer like Mobil so the effective treat may actually be less. There are so many unknowns it is very difficult to "bench race" oils with the same family of approvals.

 

[BigShug681]

I’m at about 300 miles on the new Valvoline EP in the 2010 Crown Victoria 4.6 V8 and I have much quieter cold starts versus when I had Amsoil SS in, none of its scientific it could be as simple as the Fram Ultra filter has a better ADBV vs the Amsoil filter but so far I have noticed much less cold start noise

 

[bbhero]

It's somewhat amusing that in 2021 anyone on this forum has to wonder if Mobil 1 motor oil uses Trinuclear Molybdenum. I'm not saying this in a mean way. Please understand that ExxonMobil has no reason not to use it since, as @OVERKILL already said, ExxonMobil co-owns Infineum with Royal Dutch Shell. In contrast, BP/Castrol has cross-licensing agreements with Infineum. Not only that, but Infineum's patent expired in 2016: https://patents.google.com/patent/US6232276B1/en. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if Lubrizol, Afton Chemicals, and others are making additive packages for various blenders that contain Trinuclear Molybdenum additives. Castrol EDGE and EDGE EP (ILSAC oils) contain both Trinuclear Molybdenum and Titanium, and they work together in synergy. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this one.


I just uploaded the full PDF here: https://workupload.com/file/nhUTYBWbkWv.

I hope this helps.

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Really, really good post Crowley.

 

[Ronin73]

1,000 miles in on the Valvoline EP 5w30. Smooth as silk.

 

[ChrisD46]

How do you know their intentions? They say to follow your vehicle manufactures recommendations on their website. Many manufactures recommend 10K OCI's. You don't really think Valvoline would make an oil that couldn't do that do you? This oil and most synthetics on the market can do 10K OCI's. Now, you can argue whether you think a 10K OCI is a long drain OCI...I'll grant you that. If that is the case, then I'd agree that it may not go 20K.

*I believe if the new oil would do 10K miles then Valvoline would state "10K miles or whatever your owner's manual recommends)" . I would take a sample at no more than 7,500 miles to send in for a UOA test .