New Tires for the CR-V

[radtech91]

Well I bought Michelin Latitude Tours back in 2010 for my CR-V. The originals went bald at 11,000 miles, now my Michelins are almost at the wear bars only after almost 30,000 miles. I thought they were supposed to get close to 65,000!

I'm going to try and stretch them out till Winter and get new ones before snow comes.

So I'm trying to decide if I should go with them again, because they were amazing tires, excellent grip on everything and great riding, or go with another tire.

Any suggestions?

 

[The Critic]

Did you get the 100T version or the 102T version? The 100T version was an OE tire developed for certain GM applications.

Regardless, there's a treadwear warranty. Make a claim on it when you hit 2/32 and Michelin will cover you for a pro-rated amount provided that the wear is perfect.

 

[radtech91]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Did you get the 100T version or the 102T version? The 100T version was an OE tire developed for certain GM applications.

Regardless, there's a treadwear warranty. Make a claim on it when you hit 2/32 and Michelin will cover you for a pro-rated amount provided that the wear is perfect.


I got the 100T. I bought them on Tire Rack

Only thing is, the warranty says the tires must be rotated at 7500 miles. I didn't get the last one done till 10,000. I get all the work done at my Honda Garage, are they considered an authorized Michelin dealer? Because I seen it say on the site that they have to be an authorized dealer or reseller or something to count as well.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: radtech91
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Did you get the 100T version or the 102T version? The 100T version was an OE tire developed for certain GM applications.

Regardless, there's a treadwear warranty. Make a claim on it when you hit 2/32 and Michelin will cover you for a pro-rated amount provided that the wear is perfect.


I got the 100T. I bought them on Tire Rack

Only thing is, the warranty says the tires must be rotated at 7500 miles. I didn't get the last one done till 10,000. I get all the work done at my Honda Garage, are they considered an authorized Michelin dealer? Because I seen it say on the site that they have to be an authorized dealer or reseller or something to count as well.

I have a feeling the rotation records are not enforced that strictly. Also, remember that it is difficult for them to prove a lack of rotation at a specific mileage point anyway.

 

[Sayjac]

Had the tires been purchased at Discount Tire, a treadwear adjustment would be very easy. Even without that, if you live near one, they might work with on a credit towards your next purchase from them.

I have no specific suggestion for the tire, just a general research suggestion. Go to Tire Rack, input your tire size and eliminate some choices, eg,. winter tires, summer tires. Then narrow down some choices based on your preferences. Then perhaps you can come back with a few choices for discussion.

 

[bepperb]

If the tires are all worn evenly they won't care about the rotations. This is good advice:

Even without that, if you live near one, they [discount] might work with on a credit towards your next purchase from them.

Maybe the LTX 2 or the 102T versions would last longer? It would seem to me if you wear tires this fast you must, um, enjoy driving and maybe the less-crisp-handling LTX2 wouldn't be as good?

 

[ajchien]

With you running through tires so quickly, I would wonder about your tire rotation schedule. If that's fine, then is it asymmetric wear that might point to some kind of alignment or suspension issue?

 

[radtech91]

Tires are wearing perfectly. have no clue why they would go down so quick.

I do drive a lot of back paved country roads that have a lot of turns, and I wouldn't say I drive them crazily but I don't drive them slowly. And I also drive on gravel frequently, so that factors in to, but I didn't think that would effect them to half the projected milage.

Closest discount tire to me is over 2 hours away so they are kinda out.

 

[Hokiefyd]

The reason they wore so quick is because they are the 100T versions. These are the OEM tires on the Chevrolet Equinox. That absolutely accounts for the rapid wear, UTQG tread wear rating be danged.

Try the 102T version next time. I have them on my '08 CR-V, and they're wearing well so far. I only have maybe 5,000 miles on them, but they measure just a hair under 10/32" (new is 10/32"). If I get 7,500 miles for every 32nd of inch of wear, that's 52,500 miles if I replace at the 3/32" mark.

 

[Sayjac]

Well, as for my first suggestion to you, as Gilda would say nevermind.

But the second part is still a good place to start.

 

[Hokiefyd]

I just went out in the garage to check mine. I have exactly 6,930 miles on mine, and they all have 9/32" on them. If the wear rate is linear, and I start looking for replacements at the 4/32" range, I should have 41,580 miles on the tires when I start shopping. If I take them out to 2/32", I'd have 55,440 on them.

I highly recommend these tires for all of the attributes that you enjoyed out of your set. The difference is the 102T version should last much longer.

Disclosure: I keep mine inflated at 32psi rather than the 30psi that Honda calls for.

 

[radtech91]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I just went out in the garage to check mine. I have exactly 6,930 miles on mine, and they all have 9/32" on them. If the wear rate is linear, and I start looking for replacements at the 4/32" range, I should have 41,580 miles on the tires when I start shopping. If I take them out to 2/32", I'd have 55,440 on them.

I highly recommend these tires for all of the attributes that you enjoyed out of your set. The difference is the 102T version should last much longer.

Disclosure: I keep mine inflated at 32psi rather than the 30psi that Honda calls for.


Ok maybe I'll pay the extra and get the 102T ones this next time.
I really love these tires, they were excellent in the snow and ice, and handle great in the rain. Just wasn't too happy about that I have to replace them 2 years later.
But I'll look into the 102T.

I keep mine ranging from 32-35psi

 

[radtech91]

What about the new Michelin Defender Tires?

They are $100 cheaper for the 4 tire set than the 102T Latitudes.

 

[Hokiefyd]

I looked briefly at the Defender, but I don't think it's right for me. I average 10k miles per year. With an 820 tread wear rating and a 90,000 mile warranty, I'd own them for 8-9 years. For me, that is too long...I usually like to replace tires every 3-5 years, just for something new and to be able to take advantage of newer technology.

Also, I have found that as you get into the 70k and 80k mile range for expected tread life, you start to trade performance for longevity. It makes sense, really. A compound that lasts that long has to give up something. It's often performance or ride quality or both.

I personally prefer tires rated for 50-60k miles. They are my sweet spot in terms of a balance of life and performance. In that regard, the Latitude Tours are perfect. But if drove 20-30k miles each year, the Defenders might be most appropriate for me.

 

[radtech91]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I looked briefly at the Defender, but I don't think it's right for me. I average 10k miles per year. With an 820 tread wear rating and a 90,000 mile warranty, I'd own them for 8-9 years. For me, that is too long...I usually like to replace tires every 3-5 years, just for something new and to be able to take advantage of newer technology.

Also, I have found that as you get into the 70k and 80k mile range for expected tread life, you start to trade performance for longevity. It makes sense, really. A compound that lasts that long has to give up something. It's often performance or ride quality or both.

I personally prefer tires rated for 50-60k miles. They are my sweet spot in terms of a balance of life and performance. In that regard, the Latitude Tours are perfect. But if drove 20-30k miles each year, the Defenders might be most appropriate for me.


Oh ok, I got ya. Maybe I'll just save up and spend the extra cash for the Latitudes.
I'm thinking I can make them last till October or November.

I have to get the bumper and wheel well plastics replaced on my CR-V, due to a groundhog chewing them apart.... :-/ I am going to get OEM fog lights and OEM remote start installed at Honda when I get that done. So I was going to get the tires done at the same time, will just be a little more than I expected but thats ok. Tires are the only thing that comes in contact with the road, I want to be safe.

 

[Hokiefyd]

I never shop tires based on price. I've used some cheap(er) tires in the past, and I've not been happy with most, and even returned on set. I say that life's too short to drive on tires you don't like. My wife thinks I'm crazy. I'd have to agree. Ha ha.

 

[CharBaby]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I never shop tires based on price. I've used some cheap(er) tires in the past, and I've not been happy with most, and even returned on set. I say that life's too short to drive on tires you don't like. My wife thinks I'm crazy. I'd have to agree. Ha ha.


I have to agree with ya! When I bought tires based on price alone,(usually private label tires from a local dealer), I was always unhappy after the the 1st 10,000 miles went by.

Now, I do buy tires by price but, a different price strategy...
...I find the tires that review & score high by customers & testing centers and that also meet my criteria of driving style/climate and my particular vehicle(s).

Then, I buy by price/availability from 1 of the 3-5 tire web sites that I frequent. Usually, TR or DTD(my favorits)

I am going to have to pay attention to "THAT" 100T vs 102T in the future and what those differences mean as I never really did know!...Or 96T vs 98T(which ever, for my sizes).

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I am going to have to pay attention to "THAT" 100T vs 102T in the future and what those differences mean as I never really did know!...Or 96T vs 98T(which ever, for my sizes).


In this case, it's simply the load index. Together with the speed rating, they makeup the service description (such as 100T). The P-metric load index in this size (for standard load tires) is 100. The Euro load index in this size (for standard load tires) is 102. That in itself doesn't really influence the expected life out of the tires. In this case, however, the 100T version of the tire (the P-metric size) is OEM on something...the Chevy Equinox in this case, but it could have been any car. As far as I know of, the 102T version is not an OEM tire on anything. Or at least Michelin's website doesn't indicate that. If it is, it's not a vehicle sold in the United States. Seeing that the 102T version of this tire is made in France, it very well could be that these tires come on a European vehicle.

In either case, this comes up on CR-V forums often. Many don't know there are actually two versions of the Latitude Tour in this nominal size. Some people buy them, and the tire shop happens to install the P225/65R17 100T tires and the owners are unhappy with the softer handling and poor tread life. Owners who either get or ask specifically for the 225/65R17 102T versions rave about the tires, because they're not getting an OEM contract tire.

Same deal with the 96/98 you brought up. You may be talking about the 215/65R16 size. P215/65R16's standard load index is 96. 215/65R16's standard load index is 98. Small difference, and at least Tire Rack says that it's not significant as long as the entire set of tires bears the same load index. It wouldn't be significant in the Latitude Tour's case either, except that one of the tires happens to be an OEM contract tire and the other one doesn't appear to be.

 

[CharBaby]

Thanks for that explantion! I was actually just throwing numbers out there(96T vs 98T) for a comparison, as we have 5 sets of tires between 205mm & 225mm and I can't put a number on any one of them without looking at the tires themsleves. But, thanks again for that and I'll pay more attention when buying tire, should I see two tires side-by-side with these #'s for comparison

And when my buddy with his '11 Equinox, changes his 225-65-17 Latitutes for the 1st time(I suggested that he stay with them), I'll make sure that he gets the correct ones(102T) and what these #'s mean!

This is what we have in my household:

205-55-16
205-65-16
225-70-15
225-70-16
225-55-17

 

[rjundi]

Have you had the vehicle checked out for issues from the factory. Or maybe you do lots of turns (eg city driving?).

I have never owned a vehicle that wore tires that fast and have purchased ultra high performance tires with low UTOG (160 and even 140).

The Michelin Latitude Tour on my MDX are are wearing very slowly, they better as they are pretty expensive $300/tire installed but fortunately prior owner did that before sale to me. 12k of wear by me and wearing on target to last 40k+.