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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: CKN
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: CKN
edyvw said:
New Tires for the Accord
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I don't have any trouble braking.
However, I don't drive like a moron either.
I don't feel the need to speed. Where in my response did I say I speed or encourage speeding? I don't care whether or not I am faster. I drive at a speed prudent for the conditions and maintain adequate distance between vehicles. That is why I don't join others in the ditch.
I've done it for 30 years, hitting the road at 4:30 AM without any issues resulting from inclement weather. I will be doing it through the end of April.
Then I can sit home on my computer, retired, embellish threads, and tell people in Colorado what they need to do and inform them of their road conditions.
I will do my 130 mi/day commute on my new Pirelli's until then as well.
Good evening.
I did not know Ohio is on another planet, and that those are some special roads with special weather. But, OK, so be it.
I don't have any trouble braking.
However, I don't drive like a moron either.
I don't feel the need to speed. Where in my response did I say I speed or encourage speeding? I don't care whether or not I am faster. I drive at a speed prudent for the conditions and maintain adequate distance between vehicles. That is why I don't join others in the ditch.
I've done it for 30 years, hitting the road at 4:30 AM without any issues resulting from inclement weather. I will be doing it through the end of April.
Then I can sit home on my computer, retired, embellish threads, and tell people in Colorado what they need to do and inform them of their road conditions.
I will do my 130 mi/day commute on my new Pirelli's until then as well.
Good evening.
I did not know Ohio is on another planet, and that those are some special roads with special weather. But, OK, so be it.
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
I grew up and lived in NE Ohio for most of my life, my family has never owned any snow tires (although we've talked about it). All our cars up until recently were FWD. We do make sure that our AS tires are of reasonable tread depth (6/32+).
I'd agree that snow tires aren't a necessity, but good common sense is.
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
I grew up and lived in NE Ohio for most of my life, my family has never owned any snow tires (although we've talked about it). All our cars up until recently were FWD. We do make sure that our AS tires are of reasonable tread depth (6/32+).
I'd agree that snow tires aren't a necessity, but good common sense is.
I have grown up in OH and they know how to remove snow and use salt. When I lived there- I never needed snow tires as the DOT was prepared and if things were that bad- we just did not go out. When I moved to MA and NY I was like yeesh I need snow tires- they use sand with not much salt and people cannot drive to save their lives. I got snow tires so I could get out of the way of the crazies and the cocky SUV drivers.
Case in point, in OH in the winter- your car becomes white- they use salt, In NY- my car is brown cause of the sand.
It also helps that OH is crazy flat.
Case in point, in OH in the winter- your car becomes white- they use salt, In NY- my car is brown cause of the sand.
It also helps that OH is crazy flat.
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
Well, I grew up in Souther Alps, and generally in Europe in Alpine countries, and anything north of Italy, Spain and France, winter tires are required by the law.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why less people die over there on roads per million driven miles.
Funny thing, you cannot even buy AS tire in most places.
But, since AS tires rule the road, and since apparently appropriate tires are luxury, my take: Get Kumho Ecsta LX. The way they are wearing out, you will hit 100K mark with them.
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
Well, I grew up in Souther Alps, and generally in Europe in Alpine countries, and anything north of Italy, Spain and France, winter tires are required by the law.
Maybe that is one of the reasons why less people die over there on roads per million driven miles.
Funny thing, you cannot even buy AS tire in most places.
But, since AS tires rule the road, and since apparently appropriate tires are luxury, my take: Get Kumho Ecsta LX. The way they are wearing out, you will hit 100K mark with them.
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
It depends where you drive.
If you have hills to climb, especially without running start, and snow plows are late you may need all the traction you can get and no skill will help you to get going. If something unexpected happens it is better to have as much traction as possible. One can look at winter tires as insurance policy.
Krzys
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
It depends where you drive.
If you have hills to climb, especially without running start, and snow plows are late you may need all the traction you can get and no skill will help you to get going. If something unexpected happens it is better to have as much traction as possible. One can look at winter tires as insurance policy.
Krzys
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
Well stated.
During the 2 years that I owned a 4WD Explorer, I put it in 4WD one time, and that was out of morbid curiosity.
Driving prudently at a safe speed that conditions warrant with a good set of A/S tires, is more than sufficient here at "Planet" Ohio.
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
Well stated.
During the 2 years that I owned a 4WD Explorer, I put it in 4WD one time, and that was out of morbid curiosity.
Driving prudently at a safe speed that conditions warrant with a good set of A/S tires, is more than sufficient here at "Planet" Ohio.
Originally Posted By: EdwardC
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
I grew up and lived in NE Ohio for most of my life, my family has never owned any snow tires (although we've talked about it). All our cars up until recently were FWD. We do make sure that our AS tires are of reasonable tread depth (6/32+).
I'd agree that snow tires aren't a necessity, but good common sense is.
Great to know, and this is the one part of the Buckeye "Planet" where I would be apt to purchase them for a DD.
Safe tires and good common sense will do wonders.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
I grew up and lived in NE Ohio for most of my life, my family has never owned any snow tires (although we've talked about it). All our cars up until recently were FWD. We do make sure that our AS tires are of reasonable tread depth (6/32+).
I'd agree that snow tires aren't a necessity, but good common sense is.
Great to know, and this is the one part of the Buckeye "Planet" where I would be apt to purchase them for a DD.
Safe tires and good common sense will do wonders.
Originally Posted By: tdpark
I have grown up in OH and they know how to remove snow and use salt. When I lived there- I never needed snow tires as the DOT was prepared and if things were that bad- we just did not go out. When I moved to MA and NY I was like yeesh I need snow tires- they use sand with not much salt and people cannot drive to save their lives. I got snow tires so I could get out of the way of the crazies and the cocky SUV drivers.
Case in point, in OH in the winter- your car becomes white- they use salt, In NY- my car is brown cause of the sand.
It also helps that OH is crazy flat.
Ohio DOT does a good job with clearing the roads.
If it truly is that bad, we simply stay in.
If I lived in NYS, particularly in the Western region, Dedicated winter tires would be a must.
I have grown up in OH and they know how to remove snow and use salt. When I lived there- I never needed snow tires as the DOT was prepared and if things were that bad- we just did not go out. When I moved to MA and NY I was like yeesh I need snow tires- they use sand with not much salt and people cannot drive to save their lives. I got snow tires so I could get out of the way of the crazies and the cocky SUV drivers.
Case in point, in OH in the winter- your car becomes white- they use salt, In NY- my car is brown cause of the sand.
It also helps that OH is crazy flat.
Ohio DOT does a good job with clearing the roads.
If it truly is that bad, we simply stay in.
If I lived in NYS, particularly in the Western region, Dedicated winter tires would be a must.
Originally Posted By: krzyss
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
It depends where you drive.
Agreed.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You miss the point.
With a sensible and experienced driver, all season tries are no problem in winter conditions.
I've had dedicated winters and they are better.
AWD is better still.
A cautious driver used to driving in winter conditions will do just fine without either although either or both are nice to have.
They are luxuries, though, not requirements for safe winter driving and neither can substitute for good judgement and experience.
I'm with the OP in that I've driven many winter miles on Planet Ohio and never had any problems with the tires I've had.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
It depends where you drive.
Agreed.
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
Yeah, one in a while(probably 4-5 days a year) we saw snow on the peak of nearby mountain. This year winter we didn't see any snow yet, because we didn't have much rain and temperature was in mid 70's to mid 80's the last 5-6 weeks.
Californians are terrible on any road condition but dry, we would have many car accidents on both surface streets and highways if there was more than 0.1" of rain in a day.
Maybe it's Colorado that's on a different planet, what with all those Californian transplants to whom snow was no more than something seen around the peak of a tall mountain.
Yeah, one in a while(probably 4-5 days a year) we saw snow on the peak of nearby mountain. This year winter we didn't see any snow yet, because we didn't have much rain and temperature was in mid 70's to mid 80's the last 5-6 weeks.
Californians are terrible on any road condition but dry, we would have many car accidents on both surface streets and highways if there was more than 0.1" of rain in a day.
Part of the problem in SoCal is inadequately designed road drainage.
We were in LA a few years back and were driving through a moderately heavy rain.
Nothing major by Ohio summer thunderstorm standards.
The gutters of the road were widening torrents of water, as though the storm drains couldn't handle a fairly moderate hard rain.
I'd bet that Caltrans could get a few ODOT engineers on loan to help them learn how to design proper road drainage.
We were in LA a few years back and were driving through a moderately heavy rain.
Nothing major by Ohio summer thunderstorm standards.
The gutters of the road were widening torrents of water, as though the storm drains couldn't handle a fairly moderate hard rain.
I'd bet that Caltrans could get a few ODOT engineers on loan to help them learn how to design proper road drainage.
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Part of the problem in SoCal is inadequately designed road drainage.
We were in LA a few years back and were driving through a moderately heavy rain.
Nothing major by Ohio summer thunderstorm standards.
The gutters of the road were widening torrents of water, as though the storm drains couldn't handle a fairly moderate hard rain.
I'd bet that Caltrans could get a few ODOT engineers on loan to help them learn how to design proper road drainage.
Problem is not that much design, as lack of rain and all the oil, grease etc that collects over time on roads. Once it rains, it is just mix of oil and water. Also, it does not help that CA drivers are seriously skill challenged. I lived like a year in San Diego, every time it rained, I just stayed home, it was massacre on the roads.
Part of the problem in SoCal is inadequately designed road drainage.
We were in LA a few years back and were driving through a moderately heavy rain.
Nothing major by Ohio summer thunderstorm standards.
The gutters of the road were widening torrents of water, as though the storm drains couldn't handle a fairly moderate hard rain.
I'd bet that Caltrans could get a few ODOT engineers on loan to help them learn how to design proper road drainage.
Problem is not that much design, as lack of rain and all the oil, grease etc that collects over time on roads. Once it rains, it is just mix of oil and water. Also, it does not help that CA drivers are seriously skill challenged. I lived like a year in San Diego, every time it rained, I just stayed home, it was massacre on the roads.
I know that when we see a long dry period here, as is typical for July, August and the first half of September, the roads are slick as snot when it finally rains.
Still, we see nothing like the road flooding with a moderately heavy rain that we saw driving in LA.
It is a drainage design issue, but then SoCal does have a mostly dry climate, unlike what we have here.
Still, we see nothing like the road flooding with a moderately heavy rain that we saw driving in LA.
It is a drainage design issue, but then SoCal does have a mostly dry climate, unlike what we have here.
I live in central Ohio and really thought about getting winter tires when I was shopping for new tires this past fall. Instead I got all season tires with a high rating for snow traction (GY ComforTred Touring). So far much better than the Michelin MXV4 S8 that they replaced. We really don't get dumped with snow like they do in northern Ohio, so I think I made the right choice, for me. I am more concerned about the other knuckleheads on the road. Example: several weeks ago while driving to work while it was snowing, an old dude driving a newish SUV flys past me on the left and promptly loses control and spins out. You would think after cleaning the [censored] out of his pants and re-assessing the road conditions he would slow down, but less than 5 minutes later the same guy flys past me again!! Knucklehead!!
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