New personal best MPG with HPL No VII

[SubieRubyRoo]

Just put down 698 miles on 29.4 gallons for a 23.4 mpg hand-calculated average from Muncie, IN, to Asheville then Greensboro NC.

2019 F150 3.5 Eco Crew Cab, Euro No VII 5w30, average speeds about 72-74 with the A/C on, and 5 Star Tuning 87 octane Performance Tow tune. Previous best was about 21.9 mpg.

 

[Kira]

Great. Do it again at 68-70, if possible, and I'd bet you'll better your best.

 

[Zee09]

I can feel the mpg police naysayers coming..........

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

I can feel the mpg police naysayers coming..........

But according to bitog, oil doesn't make a difference for fuel mileage

 

[Kira]

I can feel the mpg police naysayers coming..

What? ...to say SRR's 23.4mpg is unobtainable?

edit: Who said this mileage was influenced by the oil? He was just stating a condition.

When I moved some furnishings with my '05 Ranger (4.0SOHC) I kept it to 60 and bettered 20mpg.
Ranger folk maintained that was impossible.

 

[Zee09]

What? ...to say SRR's 23.4mpg is unobtainable?

edit: Who said this mileage was influenced by the oil? He was just stating a condition.

When I moved some furnishings with my '05 Ranger (4.0SOHC) I kept it to 60 and bettered 20mpg.
Ranger folk maintained that was impossible.

Don't beat the messenger

 

[JustN89]

Look, I like HPL products as much as the next guy. That said, your oil choice didn't account for a nearly 2 mpg difference. There are way too many variables here that could impact fuel economy. Wind direction and speed, fuel used, elevation change, and more. However, 23.5 mpg is not bad for a truck. As much of a fan as I am of V8s, the 3.5L and 2.7 Ecoboosts are great engines.

 

[kschachn]

Look, I like HPL products as much as the next guy. That said, your oil choice didn't account for a nearly 2 mpg difference. There are way too many variables here that could impact fuel economy. Wind direction and speed, fuel used, elevation change, and more. However, 23.5 mpg is not bad for a truck. As much of a fan as I am of V8s, the 3.5L and 2.7 Ecoboosts are great engines.

Same grade of oil? A 7% increase? Nope.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/syn-oil-better-milage-proof.120305/#post-1687378
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/best-brand-of-gasoline.305463/page-4#post-5914788

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

But according to bitog, oil doesn't make a difference for fuel mileage

Yep. Typically it's opined to be .00001 mpg difference between 0w20 and 10w40. They "know" after all.

 

[kschachn]

Yep. Typically it's opined to be .00001 mpg difference between 0w20 and 10w40. They "know" after all.

Do you know? What is it?

And it’s not really about the absolute number that could be attributed to the motor oil.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Do you know? What is it?

And it’s not really about the absolute number that could be attributed to the motor oil.

I don't know the exact number but it obviously matters being that the entire industry has moved the to ever thinner oils. There's no argument that thicker oils impart greater parasitic drag. It's for the same reason why hydraulic steering has been replaced by EPS.

I don't think anyone around here can perform back of the envelope math to get an idea of the impact.

 

[RazorsEdge]

 

[Drew7a]

Ambient air temp, humidity and wind velocity probably played a bigger role in the increase in MPG than the oil selection.

 

[bobdoo]

Console-reported MPG for my CX-5, on a flat, 3 mile long strip, with tall trees on each side (no wind was observed):
Temp: 25f
35 mph - 42 mpg
45 mph - 35 mpg
55 mph - 31 mpg
65 mph - 29 mpg
75 mph - 28 mpg

 

[mr_boring]

Nice, I have an '18 F150 with a 2.7 and can't come close. Mine is a heavy little piggy though, only like 1274 payload, and the Recon Grapplers I installed a couple of months ago have sent me into the land of sub-19 mpg even on flat interstate. On worn out Hankook's I was sometimes hitting mid-20.x's if I kept it under 80

I've seen Fuelly stats to back up gas sipping Super Crew 2.7's and 3.5's, I just don't have one lol.

 

[TiGeo]

I can feel the mpg police naysayers coming..........

As they should.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Look, I like HPL products as much as the next guy. That said, your oil choice didn't account for a nearly 2 mpg difference. There are way too many variables here that could impact fuel economy. Wind direction and speed, fuel used, elevation change, and more. However, 23.5 mpg is not bad for a truck. As much of a fan as I am of V8s, the 3.5L and 2.7 Ecoboosts are great engines.

I never said, nor claimed, that HPL’s No VII oil was to credit for all the improvement to the MPG. However, last year, nearly same temps and overall weather, I drove from IN to Alabama on the PCEO 5w30, through more favorable terrain, and had less favorable mileage results than this year’s trip on the No VII oil. I know there’s variables that are in play; however, considering that this year’s route was more challenging, with same grade oil but better results, I figured I would share.

Going to send samples to WearChek, from the 7200 and 15k samples, to see what the data says. Will also send samples from No VII samples at some point and see how they compare… but with @High Performance Lubricants checking in along my venture, I’m sure the results will be in line with their fleet customer.

I HATE talking about “quieter” on a given oil, but I’ll be darned if the No VII isn’t quieter than the PCEO. Ravenol and the MC choice were probably on equal footing with the PCEO, but the No VII made everything quieter. Remains to be quantified pending UOA results! We’ll see if quiet turns into lower wear numbers…

 

[TiGeo]

I never said, nor claimed, that HPL’s No VII oil was to credit for all the improvement to the MPG.

Your title certainly insinuates it. To have any meaningful mpg discussion requires massive amount of hand-calculated data. I have 2 years worth of mpg data collected using Fuelly I graphed overlaid with all sorts of performance mods I've done and even that is hard to say anything w/r to what impacted mpgs.

Remains to be quantified pending UOA results! We’ll see if quiet turns into lower wear numbers...

Lower UOA wear metal values to compare oils by UOA and comparing by noise? And PF threads get locked for his testing?

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Your title certainly insinuates it. To have any meaningful mpg discussion requires massive amount of hand-calculated data. I have 2 years worth of mpg data collected using Fuelly I graphed overlaid with all sorts of performance mods I've done and even that is hard to say anything w/r to what impacted mpgs.

Lower UOA wear metal values to compare oils by UOA and comparing by noise? And PF threads get locked for his testing?

I know we play around a lot on here, but you took some of this too seriously.

I took a known top-quality oil and mixed in some of the unscientific adjectives that get tossed around on here, and posted it up, mostly in jest.

I’m aware that mileage “claims” are almost always a wash, and the data to calculate is massive. The sound comment was 100% stirring the pot since that claim would be even more difficult to prove than the MPG claim. Sorry I got you so worked up

 

[TiGeo]

I know we play around a lot on here, but you took some of this too seriously.

I took a known top-quality oil and mixed in some of the unscientific adjectives that get tossed around on here, and posted it up, mostly in jest.

I’m aware that mileage “claims” are almost always a wash, and the data to calculate is massive. The sound comment was 100% stirring the pot since that claim would be even more difficult to prove than the MPG claim. Sorry I got you so worked up

Working on a meme.