You should do a test then! Beggars can't be choosers.
I don't have dirty engines.
Yeah it's an older one for sure. They took out the "good slug" of PAO, and now it's just a sprinkle.
It will take time to generate the anecdotal data with Mobil 1 Advanced Clean. His video was just adding to what we know, not a definitive "it's as good as Valvoline Restore and Protect" proof.I don't have dirty engines.
When testing is done that tears down an engine that has verified stuck rings, then it's put back together and ran with the Mobil Clean, then its torn down again to show how it cleaned like what was done with Valvoline Restore and Protect, then I'll believe or not the cleaning ability of the Mobil. The second verification is if someone has a big oil burner and running the Mobil Clean basically stops the oil burning then that would also show proof of ring pack cleaning. Or someone does a valve train cover off before and after detailed photos, without prior use of any other oils that claim cleaning ability like VPR, HPL, etc does.It will take time to generate the anecdotal data with Mobil 1 Advanced Clean. His video was just adding to what we know, not a definitive "it's as good as Valvoline Restore and Protect" proof.
Yeah I get what you're saying. But until we have those experiences, which will likely take a while, we'll continue to share what we do have. This is how the Valvoline Restore and Protect experience started. But I'll be sure to tag you when those teardowns are eventually posted. In the meantime, we'll continue to discuss what we have, so I guess feel free to ignore the cut filter videos and fill hole photos?
It does not.
Of course we don't have as much proof of the cleaning abilities as Valvoline Restore and Protect. So let it unfold, and until then I'll scrutinize the uncontrolled testing done by YouTubers that aren't visiting the Mobil test lab like what was done with Valvoline Restore and Protect. I gave better examples of how more control could be done to prove its cleaning ability. There isn't definitive proof that the debris in that filter was all the result of that oil when Valvoline Restore and Protect was used on the previous OCI. Test Mobil Clean on a dirty engine that never had any other cleaning oil or treatments before hand, and that didn't show any filter debris with the prior oil used.
Yes of course what Valvoline showed is the gold standard. No one is arguing that a cut filter is the same level of evidence. It's literally just one small data point that is mildly interesting. Just take it as that. You are pointing out the obvious here.
Yeah literally zero people are claiming it's anything else. You're arguing with no one. Just be appreciative someone took the time to make a video, describe the use case clearly, the vehicle, the mileage, and show a clear video. It's such a new product we have very little reports of its use. Don't be a naysayer just because it's not the absolute perfect evidence showing it works exactly as described.
I did take it as just that, so seems we agree on that "mildly interesting" data point. One data point that may not mean much if anything with respect to the actual cleaning ability for the reasons I already stated.
If zero other people are claiming it's anything else, then why do you seem to keep trying to argue that this is some meaning definitive data point?
You seem to be putting more into it as a definitive data point than I am, that's all ... must leave it at that, no need to keep going in circles. I'm sure others aren't going to put much credence into one filter cut open from Mobil Clean being ran through a dirty engine that had Valvoline Restore and Protect through it on the previous OCI. It could have show debris in the filter if SuperTech oil was used instead, we just don't know for sure. When more definitive evidence is shown, then Mobil's claim will be more believable. I'm not mad about anything, just calling like I see it. What is BIOG without a bunch of critics, lol ?
Or, since we're wildly guessturbating, maybe the Mobil 1 Advanced Clean cleaned up crap the Valvoline Restore and Protect left behind.
Need more of a controlled test for better proof of cleaning ability. Like said, test the Mobil Clean on a dirty engine that hasn't previously been ran on any oil that's known to clean well, like Valvoline Restore and Protect, HPL, etc. And remove the valve cover for before and after photos or some good before and after borescope shots. Or run it on a known oil burner to see if it cures oil consumption, and how may xK mile OCIs it would take. I'm all ears for some valid controlled testing.
I did take it as just that, so seems we agree on that "mildly interesting" data point. One data point that may not mean much if anything with respect to the actual cleaning ability for the reasons I already stated.
If zero other people are claiming it's anything else, then why do you seem to keep trying to argue that this is some meaning definitive data point?
Agreed!
We may see the Euro oils before an API xW-40 here.
