New Jersey tells Tesla: remove super chargers from NJ Turnpike

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All that is being reported from New Jersey is they have signed with a new company and cancelling Tesla's chargers. They seem to be quite tight lipped about it but it is happening. Of course Musk is having his usual meltdown calling it corruption with no proof. You know such an expected published event like this is NOT corruption.

To me is seems Tesla was not feeling the love with NJ and slow to upgrade chargers and the new company will be universal for everyone chargers. Interesting perspectives.

https://www.nj.com/burlington/2025/...s-to-be-removed-from-new-jersey-turnpike.html

https://electrek.co/2025/06/02/tesl...argers-on-nj-turnpike-musk-claims-corruption/
 
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alarmguy said:
All that is being reported from New Jersey is they have signed with a new company and cancelling Tesla's chargers. They seem to be quite tight lipped about it but it is happening. Of course Musk is having his usual meltdown calling it corruption with no proof. You know such an expected published event like this is NOT corruption.

To me is seems Tesla was not feeling the love with NJ and slow to upgrade chargers and the new company will be universal for everyone chargers. Interesting perspectives.

https://www.nj.com/burlington/2025/...s-to-be-removed-from-new-jersey-turnpike.html

https://electrek.co/2025/06/02/tesl...argers-on-nj-turnpike-musk-claims-corruption/
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The problem with any other company is 10 to 30% of there fast chargers don't work.
 
oil pan 4 said:
The problem with any other company is 10 to 30% of there fast chargers don't work.
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Yeah, since I use fossil fuel not a concern. Maybe though, this company will pull it off. NJ is REALLY giving them a lot of business. Sooner or later they will all become reliable. New technology and also changing technology in the vehicles themselves across a dozen brands sure to present challenges.
Also Tesla has built super charger stations off the turnpike like they almost knew this was happening. 116 of them if I read correctly.
 
alarmguy said:
Yeah, since I use fossil fuel not a concern. Maybe though, this company will pull it off. NJ is REALLY giving them a lot of business. Sooner or later they will all become reliable. New technology and also changing technology in the vehicles themselves across a dozen brands sure to present challenges.
Also Tesla has built super charger stations off the turnpike like they almost knew this was happening. 116 of them if I read correctly.
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If NJ is REALLY giving them a lot of business, follow the money. What’s in it for the people who approved the deal? Politicians don’t play favorites with taxpayer money for nothing in return. Heck, they won’t even get out of the way of the free market for free…
 
alarmguy said:
All that is being reported from New Jersey is they have signed with a new company and cancelling Tesla's chargers. They seem to be quite tight lipped about it but it is happening. Of course Musk is having his usual meltdown calling it corruption with no proof. You know such an expected published event like this is NOT corruption.

To me is seems Tesla was not feeling the love with NJ and slow to upgrade chargers and the new company will be universal for everyone chargers. Interesting perspectives.

https://www.nj.com/burlington/2025/...s-to-be-removed-from-new-jersey-turnpike.html

https://electrek.co/2025/06/02/tesl...argers-on-nj-turnpike-musk-claims-corruption/
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Wait - NJ is funneling a huge amount of business to one company - and you are sure it’s NOT corruption? 😂

I work in NJ - I have a very different take on that move.

The real question is this - will those new chargers be full service? Just like conventional fuel?

Where we have to sit there and wait for the attendant to take our credit card and plug in the car?
 
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If NJ is REALLY giving them a lot of business, follow the money. What’s in it for the people who approved the deal? Politicians don’t play favorites with taxpayer money for nothing in return. Heck, they won’t even get out of the way of the free market for free…
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So giving Tesla the business would be different? I think not. But that is me. I dont speculate without proof. Maybe the company is paying a higher rate than Tesla was.
 
Astro14 said:
Wait - NJ is funneling a huge amount of business to one company - and you are sure it’s NOT corruption? 😂

I work in NJ - I have a very different take on that move.

The real question is this - will those new chargers be full service? Just like conventional fuel?

Where we have to sit there and wait for the attendant to take our credit card and plug in the car?
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Im not understanding. What makes the deal Tesla had with the state any different? As far as your other questions, that information is published.
Would you not think if it was corruption Tesla unlike any other company could obtain proof with its unlimited finances vs small companies.
There is no corruption.
 
Urshurak776 said:
I think people hate this guy more than Trump. I didn't realize the Tesla charging stations were just for Teslas either. Would make sense to me for Universal charging station. Especially with the amount of traffic the turnpike sees.
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A truly universal charging station would have to have supercharger, CSS, chademo. Some Tesla destination and j1772 chargers for cars that don't have fast charging, to truly be universal.
 
My home charging set up has both NACS and J1772, to allow charging of cars with either protocol.
 
SumGuy said:
I thought that every EV maker was putting NACS (Tesla-compatible) chargers in their cars. Wasn't that announced a few years ago? What's the deal with that?
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Many are, but not all. There are still quite a few J1772 cars in production, not to mention the cars already built to that standard. You can get an adapter that allows cross compatibility.
 
10 to 1 it all boils down to what company pays the most to someone or to NJ.

Engineers and technically minded people make decisions highly influenced by how things work.

Government bureaucracies make decisions based on cost, income, votes, political affilations, and napatism, and dead last, how things work.
 
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The restaurants, gas stations, etc on the turnpike have a lease contract and when that term is up it can be re-negotiated or canceled.

I thought that Tesla had converted all their chargers so they can charge any brand car.
 
Out of Spec did a podcast on this recently. Tom (upper right) summarizes it best, starting around 38:25.



Basically, Applegreen Group put in a bid for $126,000,000 to basically take full control of 21 travel plazas in New Jersey. Tesla offered $0, so therefore Tesla lost and they don’t just get make money on another company’s property (so to speak) just because they want to.

Tesla has known this for years, which is why they started building charging locations a long time ago just off the turnpike. Tesla is just trying to score PR points now.

As for politics, this bid was up in 2022, long before all this stuff we’re seeing in 2024/2025.
 
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I thought that Tesla had converted all their chargers so they can charge any brand car.
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That could have been another minor factor why Tesla is gone. Many Tesla sites simply don’t allow non-Tesla EVs yet. Most that do have terribly short cords, outside of a small number of “V4” dispensers that have longer cords.

Worst of all, no public Tesla station in the world can output 800+ volts yet. They top out around 500v. So all the modern 800v class EVs charge very slowly on Tesla stations. They have V4 dispensers that are capable of 1,000v, but they are still all fed by old ~500v V3 cabinets. Dubbed V3 Plus or V3.5 stations currently.

While Tesla locations are plentiful and generally reliable, it’s actually very outdated equipment.
 
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Why would NJ set up an exclusive EV charging with any charging company, whether it is Tesla, Applegreen, Charge America, or anyone? Wouldn't it be best for the consumer if NJ had at least two different companies set up charging equipment at the same charging station? Let them compete, not only on pricing, but also on charge speed and uptime of chargers.

It really seems that if NJ really cared about their residents, they would have offered something like this. Is there a reason this wouldn't have worked?

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So giving Tesla the business would be different? I think not. But that is me. I dont speculate without proof. Maybe the company is paying a higher rate than Tesla was.
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One of the two articles mentioned that Tesla offered to do co-locations, but NJ turned down the deal. An added benefit to the state of NJ, of allowing co-locations, would have been that it would not look as much like underhanded deals were made with one company over the other.
 
Having worked at a high level in NJ State Government for almost 10 years, lack of any corruption is rare. This is because , in New Jersey, the Governor is the only state wide elected official. He appoints the entire Executive branch, including the ATTORNEY GENERAL and ALL CABINET OFFICERS. As they all work for the Governor at his pleasure, and not the Public itself, they never call out corruption that originates from within the Governor's Office itself. They do not have terms of office. So, instead of fighting corruption, they implement corruption directed from the Governor's office. These orders from the Governor's office to dictate specific outcomes and decisions used to be referred to as "Trenton Specials".
 
BHopkins said:
Why would NJ set up an exclusive EV charging with any charging company, whether it is Tesla, Applegreen, Charge America, or anyone? Wouldn't it be best for the consumer if NJ had at least two different companies set up charging equipment at the same charging station? Let them compete, not only on pricing, but also on charge speed and uptime of chargers.
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New Jersey isn’t removing the chargers.

NJ didnt want to manage all these “Travel Plazas” along the turnpike, so they offered bids to run them. One of the largest travel plaza companies in the world (Applegreen) bid to run them, and they won. Tesla had every right to bid for them too but chose not to.

Applegreen is removing the chargers because they took a $126,000,000 risk to run these locations and that includes making money off their own chargers, not handing away money to a competing company (Tesla). Tesla still has dozens upon dozens of their sites in NJ, just not at these travel plaza locations. There are new Tesla Supercharger locations within 1/2 mile of the Turnpike exits, you just need to leave the turnpike to access them.
 
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buster said:
I wish they both would just fade into the background.
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Other side wasn't any better to be honest. Worse in a lot of ways.

Coming from the eyes of an Independent.

I would like to see both sides. White house, House of Rep and Senate ALL fade away/ go away and lets start over.
 
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