New fully synthetic filter media - Mahle

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Page 33 of Mahle 2011 Tech Brochure. Anybody know about oil filters that use the mixed cellulose-plastic fiber filters or the all synthetic non-woven fiber ones Mahle says is in series production? Like the Fram Ultra, this appears to be a better oil filter. Mahle's performance specs and other info are almost impossible to find on these things.
 

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I did find a Mahle web page saying the all-synthetic oil filters take out 95% @ 10 microns, similar to the Fram Ultra's 80% @ 5 microns. Its already looking like the Ultra equals or beats this Mahle stuff.
 
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Originally Posted By: route66mike
I did find a Mahle web page saying the all-synthetic oil filters take out 95% @ 10 microns, similar to the Fram Ultra's 80% @ 5 microns. Its already looking like the Ultra equals or beats this Mahle stuff.
lol nothing bearing a Fram logo will 'beat' anything else. Keep apologizing and doing free PR for them, though
 

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Originally Posted By: jrustles
lol nothing bearing a Fram logo will 'beat' anything else. Keep apologizing and doing free PR for them, though
Facts to back up your statements? I didn't think so....
 
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"beats this Mahle stuff". Nice.
Originally Posted By: route66mike
I did find a Mahle web page saying the all-synthetic oil filters take out 95% @ 10 microns, similar to the Fram Ultra's 80% @ 5 microns. Its already looking like the Ultra equals or beats this Mahle stuff.
 
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Emotions are stronger than facts. eek grin
Darn right. Competition is too diverse for me to feel obligated to be stupid. It feels like the relationship between a battered spouse that keeps returning because the abuser keeps saying their sorry and wrote a poem and got raise at their job. I'm not here to encourage [censored]. That's my role as a consumer, and I take it seriously. laugh
Originally Posted By: route66mik
Facts to back up your statements? I didn't think so....
Facts to back up your FU efficiency ratings? Oh the company recanted them? I didn't think so.....
 
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And here BMW has missed a great opportunity to use FRAM as an OEM supplier. Oh, I remember, FRAM actually buys a Mahle and puts it in the FRAM box for these critical, demanding BMW applications. FRAM may be one of Mahle's biggest customers.
 
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Originally Posted By: jrustles
Originally Posted By: route66mik
Facts to back up your statements? I didn't think so....
Facts to back up your FU efficiency ratings? Oh the company recanted them? I didn't think so.....
Fram, or any other company that states performance specs, has a legal obligation to ensure they are accurate and provable. You can bet Fram's legal department has the bases coverd there. So IMO, I can trust those claims are true and accurate. Other filter companies routinely test their competitions filters to ensure they do indeed meet the claims from the competition. They are always poised to start legal action for false advertising.
 
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Fram, or any other company that states performance specs, has a legal obligation to ensure they are accurate and provable. You can bet Fram's legal department has the bases coverd there. So IMO, I can trust those claims are true and accurate.
But they took the ratings off of the packaging. Why would they do such a thing if they were so confident in their test results?
 
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Originally Posted By: jrustles
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Fram, or any other company that states performance specs, has a legal obligation to ensure they are accurate and provable. You can bet Fram's legal department has the bases coverd there. So IMO, I can trust those claims are true and accurate.
But they took the ratings off of the packaging. Why would they do such a thing if they were so confident in their test results?
Don't know, but the ratings are on their website which is just a legal. Guys are grasping at straws. Ultra Website Page
 
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Originally Posted By: route66mik
Facts to back up your statements? I didn't think so....
Facts to back up your FU efficiency ratings? Oh the company recanted them? I didn't think so.....
Fram, or any other company that states performance specs, has a legal obligation to ensure they are accurate and provable. You can bet Fram's legal department has the bases coverd there. So IMO, I can trust those claims are true and accurate. Other filter companies routinely test their competitions filters to ensure they do indeed meet the claims from the competition. They are always poised to start legal action for false advertising.
Wow, I guess every thing I read and seen about Slick 50 and Dura-Lube must be true!! They can't say it if its not true!!
 
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Originally Posted By: steveh
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Originally Posted By: route66mik
Facts to back up your statements? I didn't think so....
Facts to back up your FU efficiency ratings? Oh the company recanted them? I didn't think so.....
Fram, or any other company that states performance specs, has a legal obligation to ensure they are accurate and provable. You can bet Fram's legal department has the bases coverd there. So IMO, I can trust those claims are true and accurate. Other filter companies routinely test their competitions filters to ensure they do indeed meet the claims from the competition. They are always poised to start legal action for false advertising.
Wow, I guess every thing I read and seen about Slick 50 and Dura-Lube must be true!! They can't say it if its not true!!
They probably got sued along the way too if there were false claims that could be proven to be false. Why don't you non-believers call up Fram or Purolator or whoever quotes an efficiency spec and say you're going have their oil filters independently tested per IOS 4548-12 and then file a lawsuit for false performance claims and see what they say. whistle
 
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You're not really serious, are you? You do know the difference between published specifications obtained by standard tests, and a list of pseudo-science claims and testimonials, don't you?
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Wow, I guess every thing I read and seen about Slick 50 and Dura-Lube must be true!! They can't say it if its not true!!
 
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