New Fram 2x Extra Guard Oil Filter

[Steve S]

Originally Posted By: Burt
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Quote:
My feeling is the filter is more important.


OT, but I'd vote oil. Remember, older cars, like VWs, didn't even have oil filters. They just changed the oil more frequently. Think of it this way, you could screw an empty oil filter canister on and run your engine for years and probably 100,000 miles with no oil filter in the can, but I bet you wouldn't get 10 miles with no oil in the engine.


I don't think that is a good analogy. Elsewhere on this site is anecdotal evidence that you can drive about 40k miles in a new car before it will seize up due to lack of oil. If you top it off, it will go about 70k miles. Changing the oil and filter regularly gets you from 70k miles to 300k.

The question is: if you were limited to say $750 for oil and filters over the life of the car, what oil and filter would you use to get the maximum engine life? Would you keep the oil in longer and just change filters or keep the filter on and change the oil? I know some will respond that they would not skimp on either, but this is theoretical discussion on bang for the buck. Should I start a new thread of this?
Do the same experiment with out an air filter. The cheapest proper rated oil and filter will let an engine last as long as it is going to last. Remove the airfilter and see what happens.

 

[Spyder7]

Originally Posted By: Steve S
Originally Posted By: Burt
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Quote:
My feeling is the filter is more important.


OT, but I'd vote oil. Remember, older cars, like VWs, didn't even have oil filters. They just changed the oil more frequently. Think of it this way, you could screw an empty oil filter canister on and run your engine for years and probably 100,000 miles with no oil filter in the can, but I bet you wouldn't get 10 miles with no oil in the engine.


I don't think that is a good analogy. Elsewhere on this site is anecdotal evidence that you can drive about 40k miles in a new car before it will seize up due to lack of oil. If you top it off, it will go about 70k miles. Changing the oil and filter regularly gets you from 70k miles to 300k.

The question is: if you were limited to say $750 for oil and filters over the life of the car, what oil and filter would you use to get the maximum engine life? Would you keep the oil in longer and just change filters or keep the filter on and change the oil? I know some will respond that they would not skimp on either, but this is theoretical discussion on bang for the buck. Should I start a new thread of this?
Do the same experiment with out an air filter. The cheapest proper rated oil and filter will let an engine last as long as it is going to last. Remove the airfilter and see what happens.


And you base this on what? A PhD in mechanical engineering, or credible sources that have studied this subject extensively, and after doing this research, arrived at that conclusion (if so, sources please)?

Or are you just spouting [censored] in the form of factual information, but that's really nothing more than your own opinion? And if the latter, how well informed?

-Spyder

 

[unDummy]

2x 3x... is kinda meaningless is the filter falls apart internally(cheap shot). Also, doesn't help if the ADBV allows the filter to empty out in a couple hours and you get that symphony of engine mechanicals awaiting oil PSI on each startup. My reason to switching to synthetic 25years ago was because it seriously reduced that it cold start clatter, when all I needed was a silicone ADBV and a working bypass valve.

I have used and personally could care less for the PH and TG filters. I think teflon or highmileage filters are a marketing joke. I find that the X2/XG filters are excellent but no-one here stocks 'em. Please, if you must Fram it, eXtendedGuard it!

DoubleGuard teflon infused filter not available anymore? Bummer, won't be able to crack that joke anymore!

BTW, Fram media is excellent. Hope that their new media flows well and filters better. Miss the days when Fram was located down the street.