New Ford 150,000 mile air filter

[DavoNF]

Looks like some of these will be fitted to 2005 model Fords. No air filter change for 150,000 miles.

http://www.visteon.com/about/features/2001/061901.shtml


Dave

 

[Matt_S]

Hmmm, that "non-servicable" term scares me (look under the air filter specifications link at the bottom of the page).

 

[T-Keith]

Sounds like another one of those "no maintenance" items that's going to limit consumer choice. Most likely this will be a sealed unit, placed where it would be difficult, if not impossible, to service. They will probably be very expensive, and poorly supported by the aftermarket. That said a large capacity filter is usually a good idea. This is a trend that usually hurts us "maintenance" people, and long term car owners.

They design a part to last only a long period of time, then make it very hard to service. Then when it does go, because of high mileage or manufactoring issues, the customer is the one who loses.

So will these be another failure like "lubed for life ball joints and tie rods? Or a good low mainenance item that actually delivers like platnium spark plugs.

-T

 

[JohnBrowning]

For what it is worth it is a sound design. Viston designe it for Ford. Their are other companys wanting to license the process for their vechiles. I belive it was a Japanesse car company looking at. THis story broke about a year ago. Since then not even a murmur!! That is easily three or more years of no filter changes. You know that someone will come out with a kit to retrofit a regular or a guaze filter to the vechiles once people see how much Vistion wants for the replacement.

 

[JoggingGuy]

Yeah, they'll put it somewhere that makes it hard to replace. The new service instructions will look like this:

1) Remove engine.
2) Replace air filter assembly.
3) Replace engine.

 

[Durrr]

Here's an oh so lovely quote from the site:

Flexible Packaging
Because this system doesn't require regular maintenance attention, there is a great deal of flexibility in packaging the system within the vehicle. The entire air induction system could even be placed in another section of the vehicle, freeing up valuable space near the engine.

The system can be modified to match specific market requirements and can be equipped with a reminder, such as an indicator light, that would warn consumers of an improperly functioning filter. It can also be equipped with specially treated layers to reduce evaporative emissions. Additionally, the Long Life Filtration System contains a minimum of 25 percent post-consumer recycled materials and is designed so that the entire system can be recycled at the end of vehicle life.

They're gonna stick it in the glovebox for all I know lol

 

[T-Keith]

quote:

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Originally posted by JoggingGuy:
Yeah, they'll put it somewhere that makes it hard to replace. The new service instructions will look like this:

1) Remove engine.
2) Replace air filter assembly.
3) Replace engine.

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Hey, they can revive the AeroStar Van!

-T

 

[Dan4510]

Brings back memories of the monza:

Pull engine,
change spark plugs,
replace engine....

One of the great designs from GM

Dan

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

They may advertise these filters (perhaps even rightfully so) as 150K miles worth of filtration, but dealers have "specials" every 15K where they push them on the customer. Money is made on all these small parts at these "special" maintenance intervals at the dealer. I doubt we'll see any actually go the 150K distance, no matter what the cost.

 

[2002 Maxima SE]

The fuel filter in my Maxima is a 100k item as well...yeah, right.

There is no way that an airfilter can go 150k miles without service. My K&N has not been cleaned in 20k, it looks fine, I rotated it at 30k miles so the air passes over a clean area, but come 50k miles it will be cleaned.

 

[Schmoe]

Did someone mention Monza????? Oh man oh man, my first "car." Had the V8. You are so right, had to lift engine to change the plugs. You know, I miss that car. I put side pipes on it and thought I was Mack Daddy!

 

[jsharp]

quote:

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Originally posted by Dan4510:
Brings back memories of the monza:

Pull engine,
change spark plugs,
replace engine....

One of the great designs from GM

Dan

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My brother in law worked at a GM dealer during the days of the V8 Monza. His only comment about the spark plug replacement was "I can always beat flat rate on them so I couldn't care less"...

If you want to see the Monzas that were "right", go here -

http://www.larsonpage.com/cv/dekon1.htm

[ June 07, 2004, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: jsharp ]

 

[VaderSS]

quote:

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Traditional filters, engineered to last 30,000 miles, have a capacity of 80 grams to 300 grams, depending on the engine size and type of vehicle. The filter can hold 300 grams to 500 grams (depending on engine size), an appropriate capacity for 150,000 mile to 200,000 mile filter life.

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Does not compute...

100-375 miles per gram on the 30,000 mile filter, but 300-500 miles per gram for the the 150k filter. If the dust intake is at 100 miles per gram, then the "150k" filter would last 30,000-50,000 miles. Sounds like it lets more past...

 

[widman]

The only way we could use a filter 150,000 miles is with a self cleaning device like the military is using. 95% of our roads are unpaved. Many are 10 inches deep in fine dust that out over your hood as you drive. The dust from the vehicle in front of you remains in the air for 20 or 30 minutes, so if you have less distance you are drinking dirt. I've dumped 600 grams of dirt out of an air filter in 180 km, not 150,000 miles.
So they will probably mount it remotely, with the instructions:
1. remove body from frame
2. change filter
3. reattach body to frame

Eventually we will get good at it and beat the book.

 

[nascarnation]

remember the Chev Vega?
they had a stamped steel crimped shell "50,000 mile" air filter
the funny part was they filled up with oil from the blowby long before they filled with airborne dirt.......

 

[VaderSS]

You mean like this one?

 

[JeepZJ4.0]

quote:

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Originally posted by T-Keith:

quote:

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Originally posted by JoggingGuy:
Yeah, they'll put it somewhere that makes it hard to replace. The new service instructions will look like this:

1) Remove engine.
2) Replace air filter assembly.
3) Replace engine.

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Hey, they can revive the AeroStar Van!

-T

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That's soo true!

 

[westex39]

I live here in Lubbock, Texas. There is no way a air filter will last 150K in this dust.

 

[flathead6]

In Lubbock? I'm from rural Crosby County, not very far from you. I travel mostly dirt roads...not gravel, not caliche...dirt. We ought to both be glad we don't live in Terry County. They've got sand down there and get many more dirty days than we do.
But you're so very right. No way will an air filter last any West Texan 150,000 miles.
I change my air filters at 7,500 to 15,000 miles and that's likely not soon enough.
Modern technology such as the 150K air filters might be fine for 90% of the population, but not us.
"I'm glad your city is less than an hour away for shopping, etc., but I'm glad you've got those crazy drivers, screwy traffic lights, your mayor and city council. Happiness, to me, truly is Lubbock in the rear view mirror.

 

[flathead6]

In Lubbock? I'm from rural Crosby County, not very far from you. I travel mostly dirt roads...not gravel, not caliche...dirt. We ought to both be glad we don't live in Terry County. They've got sand down there and get many more dirty days than we do.
But you're so very right. No way will an air filter last any West Texan 150,000 miles.
I change my air filters at 7,500 to 15,000 miles and that's likely not soon enough.
Modern technology such as the 150K air filters might be fine for 90% of the population, but not us.
"I'm glad your city is less than an hour away for shopping, etc., but I'm glad you've got those crazy drivers, screwy traffic lights, your mayor and city council. Happiness, to me, truly is Lubbock in the rear view mirror.