New engine, 1st oil change oil?

[irv]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: irv


Thanks Bill.
I know what you are saying but you yourself said it above, that you had less than desirable results running the Mobil you used??
(The few runs of Mobil 1 were less than impressive and not the best value. It has been suggested that Mobil 1 is different in the past few years.)


Myself, I am looking for better results than that as I usually do long OCI's, which I thought Mobil 1 provided?

Right now, as it stands and from what I read, it seems the Pennzoil Ultra is the bet oil for long OCI's and the best protection?
Maybe I'm anal, but I do want something that is above the norm as far as protection and wear go as I do keep my vehicles for many many years.


Irv, A few questions;

1. What is a "better result"?
2. What is your driving style?
3. What is a long OCI to you?

I keep my vehicles many years and put a LOT of miles on them. Once I get to a certain mileage then I sell them to a family or friend who gets more value out of them. How many miles am I talking about? 250,000 miles plus. My 1986 Jetta had 394,000 miles on it when it was totaled. Just passed Dyno smog and ran great. Have a 1982 Toyota truck which this summer will be its last year with well over 300,000 miles. Why? Rust and it will not pass safety. 1996 C1500 Chevy with 4.3l V6 has over 250,000 miles. 1993 Dodge Caravan 3.8l V6 around 240,000 miles. All run excellent and are dependable.

Let me know YOUR conditions and what you are looking for.

Thanks, Bill


Bill, what I am after is a once a year oil change oil, an oil that can withstand varying temps (30+c to -30+c) an oil that can withstand the rigors of towing in both those temps, (2000lb boat in summer and a 1500 lb sled trailer, loaded in the winter)

Right now I average about 15 to 20,000 km's a year with my p/u, it's a daily driver and is driven in stop an go traffic as well as some hwy on a daily basis.
I have always liked Mobil 1 and have ran it for years without any consumption issues, oil leaks or anything, it has served me well imo.

I was really hoping to run Mobil 1 0w30 (green cap) when my truck reached 5000 miles but it is not available in Canada for some reason?
I am/was considering Mobil 1 0W-40 as it is the closest I can get to the 0w30 but I am not sure if it would be safe/ok to run in my truck?
It seems these new 0W oils are really taking off and becoming quite popular? I assume for their supposed added benefits of running a "0" weight oil for cold start ups?
Thoughts?
Thanks....Irv

 

[Ben99GT]

I would break the engine in on Havoline/Chevron Supreme 5w30 or Formula Shell 5w30, drop at 500 miles, then 1500 miles, then switch to your synthetic of choice at 5000. JMO, and the route I personally would follow.

 

[demarpaint]

I changed my FF oil at 500 miles and used Pennzoil conventional. You can always make the change to synthetic oil at a later time, that is if you see value in it. I like the feel good benefit offered by 0w-xx oil, especially in the winter time. That is why I use it in my Jeep. The two older vehicles of my fleet use 5W-xx oils.

I think Gary Allan is correct in what he is saying. At the end of the vehicles life for most of us there probably won't be much difference.

 

[Mark72]

Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
I would break the engine in on Havoline/Chevron Supreme 5w30 or Formula Shell 5w30, drop at 500 miles, then 1500 miles, then switch to your synthetic of choice at 5000. JMO, and the route I personally would follow.


Should read...I would break the engine in on Pennzoil Conventional or Pennzoil Conventional, drop at 500 miles, then 1500 miles, then switch to your CONVENTIONAL choice at 5000, like the new and improved Pennzoil conventional. JMO, and the route I personally would follow.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Mark72
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
I would break the engine in on Havoline/Chevron Supreme 5w30 or Formula Shell 5w30, drop at 500 miles, then 1500 miles, then switch to your synthetic of choice at 5000. JMO, and the route I personally would follow.


Should read...I would break the engine in on Pennzoil Conventional or Pennzoil Conventional, drop at 500 miles, then 1500 miles, then switch to your CONVENTIONAL choice at 5000, like the new and improved Pennzoil conventional. JMO, and the route I personally would follow.


I like the moly content in Havoline and Formula Shell for break it, synthetic versus conventional has been debated ad naseum.

I've also heard that Havoline has met GF-5 for a long while now, even though they haven't advertised it.

In my book Havoline and Chevron Supreme

Pennzoil conventional, at least before the latest GF-5 Pennzoil conventional reformulation (if there was one).

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: irv

Bill, what I am after is a once a year oil change oil, an oil that can withstand varying temps (30+c to -30+c) an oil that can withstand the rigors of towing in both those temps, (2000lb boat in summer and a 1500 lb sled trailer, loaded in the winter)

Right now I average about 15 to 20,000 km's a year with my p/u, it's a daily driver and is driven in stop an go traffic as well as some hwy on a daily basis.
I have always liked Mobil 1 and have ran it for years without any consumption issues, oil leaks or anything, it has served me well imo.

I was really hoping to run Mobil 1 0w30 (green cap) when my truck reached 5000 miles but it is not available in Canada for some reason?
I am/was considering Mobil 1 0W-40 as it is the closest I can get to the 0w30 but I am not sure if it would be safe/ok to run in my truck?
It seems these new 0W oils are really taking off and becoming quite popular? I assume for their supposed added benefits of running a "0" weight oil for cold start ups?
Thoughts?
Thanks....Irv



I got plenty of thoughts!

One a year may not be possible. The stop and go here and there in cold temps I really doubt I'd go for once a year OCIs. I'd follow the OLM and see where that takes you.

Good that you see some highway but I don't know what the ratio is of that vs stop and go. Your temps don't require a 0w oil but it will not hurt. And 5w30 would be fine in those temps. Before 5w30 oil came out all we used was 10w30 and like I said long life is not a problem.

Your trailer weights are not a issue. 2000 lbs being towed by a Accord (its "rated" higher ) is a lot different than 2000 lbs with your truck. I'd NOT consider that a big problem. I would use the tow button and the OLM will take any effects of the towing in its calculation for how long to run the oil.

JMO but I would NOT run a 0w-40 oil in the truck. Really. I ran 0w30 in my Corolla this winter and no difference over 5w30. Even well below zero with the vehicle sitting outside all night and 4-5am starts.

Do you plug in your vehicle? (I wish I could)

Take care, Bill

 

[Patman]

Once the engine is broken in, would you consider using Toyota's 0w20 synthetic in this engine? It's the best bargain right now for synthetic oil up here (Toyota dealers here sell it for only $5.65 per liter!) and considering the fact that Toyota is now recommending 10,000 mile oil changes on a lot of it's cars, this oil should go the distance. On paper, this oil looks very impressive, and I'm confident we'll start seeing some impressive used oil analysis from it over the coming months/years.

 

[irv]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: irv

Bill, what I am after is a once a year oil change oil, an oil that can withstand varying temps (30+c to -30+c) an oil that can withstand the rigors of towing in both those temps, (2000lb boat in summer and a 1500 lb sled trailer, loaded in the winter)

Right now I average about 15 to 20,000 km's a year with my p/u, it's a daily driver and is driven in stop an go traffic as well as some hwy on a daily basis.
I have always liked Mobil 1 and have ran it for years without any consumption issues, oil leaks or anything, it has served me well imo.

I was really hoping to run Mobil 1 0w30 (green cap) when my truck reached 5000 miles but it is not available in Canada for some reason?
I am/was considering Mobil 1 0W-40 as it is the closest I can get to the 0w30 but I am not sure if it would be safe/ok to run in my truck?
It seems these new 0W oils are really taking off and becoming quite popular? I assume for their supposed added benefits of running a "0" weight oil for cold start ups?
Thoughts?
Thanks....Irv



I got plenty of thoughts!

One a year may not be possible. The stop and go here and there in cold temps I really doubt I'd go for once a year OCIs. I'd follow the OLM and see where that takes you.

Good that you see some highway but I don't know what the ratio is of that vs stop and go. Your temps don't require a 0w oil but it will not hurt. And 5w30 would be fine in those temps. Before 5w30 oil came out all we used was 10w30 and like I said long life is not a problem.

Your trailer weights are not a issue. 2000 lbs being towed by a Accord (its "rated" higher ) is a lot different than 2000 lbs with your truck. I'd NOT consider that a big problem. I would use the tow button and the OLM will take any effects of the towing in its calculation for how long to run the oil.

JMO but I would NOT run a 0w-40 oil in the truck. Really. I ran 0w30 in my Corolla this winter and no difference over 5w30. Even well below zero with the vehicle sitting outside all night and 4-5am starts.

Do you plug in your vehicle? (I wish I could)

Take care, Bill

Thanks for the info again Bill, I just picked up some Pennzoil conventional for $11.99 yesterday and I am in the process of changing it already.
I am curious on your comment about once a year oil changes may not be possible?

I use to run Kendall Elite full synthetic and had many oil tests done on it between oil changes and it was their recommendation to go to 11-12,000 km's between oil changes which worked out to once a year OCI's.

I believe oil has improved since those days so I am a little stumped by your comment?
I will keep an eye on my OLM but in all honesty is it an accurate way of determining oil life especially if your running a synthetic?
Thanks again

 

[Bill in Utah]

Irv,

You are correct that today's oils are so much better than yesterdays but one thing that oils can not do is once you have too much byproducts / moisture in the sump (common with short trips)the ONLY way to get back to a even playing field for the motor is to CHANGE the oil. No matter what oil you use.

The OLM is accurate. But people are fooling themselves thinking that syn is the magic cure all for everything.

It is *just* oil. Your UOA proves that.

Just my opinion based on many decades of taking engines far down the road.

Bill

 

[irv]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Irv,

You are correct that today's oils are so much better than yesterdays but one thing that oils can not do is once you have too much byproducts / moisture in the sump (common with short trips)the ONLY way to get back to a even playing field for the motor is to CHANGE the oil. No matter what oil you use.

The OLM is accurate. But people are fooling themselves thinking that syn is the magic cure all for everything.

It is *just* oil. Your UOA proves that.

Just my opinion based on many decades of taking engines far down the road.

Bill


So far so good with the Pennzoil conventional, the truck runs smooth and is pretty quiet, especially compared to the clattity clack I heard since 3000km's and on with the original engine!

My engine was replaced due to a out of round/egg shaped cylinder on cylinder #4.

1st try was with new GM updated lifters which didn't do anything, next came the replacing of the wrist pin in cylinder #4 with the same result then finally came a new engine, which I was very glad to hear!

So anyways, this Pennzoil conventional seems to be doing a pretty good job(as far as I know?) I bought 2 jugs of Pennzoil conventional at $11.99 and bought 2 of the Platinum at $23.99 which I will use after another oil change, maybe?

Just curious when this new GL-5 standard is coming out?
I take it it will be even more slippery than current GL-4 oils are or are there other factors involved?
Thanks for all the help and opinions, it was greatly appreciated

 

[Hemi426]

Pennzoil conventional will serve you well. It is the #1 selling motor oil in the United States, after all.