New car, 2014 Mustang 5.0 Track Pack
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Does it have an oil pressure and temperature guage ?
I'd like to know that as well but it looks like no one answered the question although I think it does come with gauges.
Does the engine require the heavier 5W-50 over the standard Mustang GT which is spec'd for 5W-20? For normal fast street use I'd say no. If you're not seeing oil temp's over 230F which the none track spec'd Mustang can generate without triggering the ECU safeties then I'd say the 5W-20 lube would be a better choice not that I'm recommending it during your warranty period.
As others have suggested I'd stick with the Motorcraft 5W-50 partly because it fortunately is very shear prone but that is nothing to be concerned about as OVERKILL has fully explained.
Between now and through the hot Texas summer I'd take the time to become very familiar with the oil pressure and maximum oil temp's characteristics of your engine particularly when you're really hammering it.
With that detailed info' then you can possibly revisit your motor oil choice.
If for example you cannot generate oil temp's over 230F I'd consider tracking down the right engineer at Ford to speak to and request permission to run a lighter oil grade, if not their 5W-20 perhaps their 5W-30? Who knows, you could get lucky and get a proper technical answer.
The ones I've seen don't have oil temp gauges,and the oil pressure gauge is the same one used on all Fords,it just goes straight to the middle and stays there regardless of rpm.
Mine has oil temp built into the info display in the middle of the cluster along with cylinder head temp, voltage, air/fuel ratio.
I see.
So an oil temp gauge but no oil pressure gauge.
That's certainly better than just an uncalibrated coolant gauge.
GM in their wisdom has seen fit to include both OP and OT gauges in the Camaro.
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Does it have an oil pressure and temperature guage ?
I'd like to know that as well but it looks like no one answered the question although I think it does come with gauges.
Does the engine require the heavier 5W-50 over the standard Mustang GT which is spec'd for 5W-20? For normal fast street use I'd say no. If you're not seeing oil temp's over 230F which the none track spec'd Mustang can generate without triggering the ECU safeties then I'd say the 5W-20 lube would be a better choice not that I'm recommending it during your warranty period.
As others have suggested I'd stick with the Motorcraft 5W-50 partly because it fortunately is very shear prone but that is nothing to be concerned about as OVERKILL has fully explained.
Between now and through the hot Texas summer I'd take the time to become very familiar with the oil pressure and maximum oil temp's characteristics of your engine particularly when you're really hammering it.
With that detailed info' then you can possibly revisit your motor oil choice.
If for example you cannot generate oil temp's over 230F I'd consider tracking down the right engineer at Ford to speak to and request permission to run a lighter oil grade, if not their 5W-20 perhaps their 5W-30? Who knows, you could get lucky and get a proper technical answer.
The ones I've seen don't have oil temp gauges,and the oil pressure gauge is the same one used on all Fords,it just goes straight to the middle and stays there regardless of rpm.
Mine has oil temp built into the info display in the middle of the cluster along with cylinder head temp, voltage, air/fuel ratio.
I see.
So an oil temp gauge but no oil pressure gauge.
That's certainly better than just an uncalibrated coolant gauge.
GM in their wisdom has seen fit to include both OP and OT gauges in the Camaro.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
All this teeth gnashing over warranties. Doesn't tracking the car void the warranty anyway.
If I were not going to track the car and were going to drive it within the parameters of keeping my license, I'd just use the 0W-20 synthetic oil.
But engineers like me tend to want to mess with everything.
No, track use will not void the warranty nor will it for any car.
I do like your thinking though.
I'd likely be using a 0W-20 as well as I understand oil temp's don't get much above 212F on the street.
For those that aren't overly concerned about the warranty there is a certain logic to using the same Motorcraft 5W-20 that's spec'd for the Mustang GT if you're not tracking the car and your oil temp's stay under 230F.
All this teeth gnashing over warranties. Doesn't tracking the car void the warranty anyway.
If I were not going to track the car and were going to drive it within the parameters of keeping my license, I'd just use the 0W-20 synthetic oil.
But engineers like me tend to want to mess with everything.
No, track use will not void the warranty nor will it for any car.
I do like your thinking though.
I'd likely be using a 0W-20 as well as I understand oil temp's don't get much above 212F on the street.
For those that aren't overly concerned about the warranty there is a certain logic to using the same Motorcraft 5W-20 that's spec'd for the Mustang GT if you're not tracking the car and your oil temp's stay under 230F.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
I see.
So an oil temp gauge but no oil pressure gauge.
That's certainly better than just an uncalibrated coolant gauge.
GM in their wisdom has seen fit to include both OP and OT gauges in the Camaro.
It does have a oil pressure dummy gauge though. Anything beyond speedo and revs are in a center stack that you scroll through with switches on the steering wheel. It is the same screen that shows the accelerometer and christmas tree for the Track Apps.
I see.
So an oil temp gauge but no oil pressure gauge.
That's certainly better than just an uncalibrated coolant gauge.
GM in their wisdom has seen fit to include both OP and OT gauges in the Camaro.
It does have a oil pressure dummy gauge though. Anything beyond speedo and revs are in a center stack that you scroll through with switches on the steering wheel. It is the same screen that shows the accelerometer and christmas tree for the Track Apps.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
No, track use will not void the warranty nor will it for any car.
I do like your thinking though.
I'd likely be using a 0W-20 as well as I understand oil temp's don't get much above 212F on the street.
For those that aren't overly concerned about the warranty there is a certain logic to using the same Motorcraft 5W-20 that's spec'd for the Mustang GT if you're not tracking the car and your oil temp's stay under 230F.
OP should be worried about a warranty on a $15K to $20K motor. Several years ago Mitsubishi was voiding warranties for people who were autocrossing their EVOs. They were monitoring the internet forums.
Lastly and with all due courtesy, I think the near constant recommendation for everyone to use xW-20 is undermining your credibility. It's one thing to suggest an xW-20 for something that specs a 5W-30, or maybe even a 0W-40. But to suggest 0W-20 or 5W-20 for a motor that specs a 5W-50 seems reckless to me. That's a $15K motor that you're wanting the OP to experiment with.
Scott
No, track use will not void the warranty nor will it for any car.
I do like your thinking though.
I'd likely be using a 0W-20 as well as I understand oil temp's don't get much above 212F on the street.
For those that aren't overly concerned about the warranty there is a certain logic to using the same Motorcraft 5W-20 that's spec'd for the Mustang GT if you're not tracking the car and your oil temp's stay under 230F.
OP should be worried about a warranty on a $15K to $20K motor. Several years ago Mitsubishi was voiding warranties for people who were autocrossing their EVOs. They were monitoring the internet forums.
Lastly and with all due courtesy, I think the near constant recommendation for everyone to use xW-20 is undermining your credibility. It's one thing to suggest an xW-20 for something that specs a 5W-30, or maybe even a 0W-40. But to suggest 0W-20 or 5W-20 for a motor that specs a 5W-50 seems reckless to me. That's a $15K motor that you're wanting the OP to experiment with.
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Use 5W50 and drive it like you stole it!! :^D
The motor specs 5w20 in standard GT form. Did you read the rest of the thread? Not wreckless if you have an oil pressure and temperature gauge.
Originally Posted By: SLO_Town
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
No, track use will not void the warranty nor will it for any car.
I do like your thinking though.
I'd likely be using a 0W-20 as well as I understand oil temp's don't get much above 212F on the street.
For those that aren't overly concerned about the warranty there is a certain logic to using the same Motorcraft 5W-20 that's spec'd for the Mustang GT if you're not tracking the car and your oil temp's stay under 230F.
OP should be worried about a warranty on a $15K to $20K motor. Several years ago Mitsubishi was voiding warranties for people who were autocrossing their EVOs. They were monitoring the internet forums.
Lastly and with all due courtesy, I think the near constant recommendation for everyone to use xW-20 is undermining your credibility. It's one thing to suggest an xW-20 for something that specs a 5W-30, or maybe even a 0W-40. But to suggest 0W-20 or 5W-20 for a motor that specs a 5W-50 seems reckless to me. That's a $15K motor that you're wanting the OP to experiment with.
Scott
but the car is only specing a 5w50 cause the track pack. SAME EXACT engine ad in the regular gt. that calls for 5w20.
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
No, track use will not void the warranty nor will it for any car.
I do like your thinking though.
I'd likely be using a 0W-20 as well as I understand oil temp's don't get much above 212F on the street.
For those that aren't overly concerned about the warranty there is a certain logic to using the same Motorcraft 5W-20 that's spec'd for the Mustang GT if you're not tracking the car and your oil temp's stay under 230F.
OP should be worried about a warranty on a $15K to $20K motor. Several years ago Mitsubishi was voiding warranties for people who were autocrossing their EVOs. They were monitoring the internet forums.
Lastly and with all due courtesy, I think the near constant recommendation for everyone to use xW-20 is undermining your credibility. It's one thing to suggest an xW-20 for something that specs a 5W-30, or maybe even a 0W-40. But to suggest 0W-20 or 5W-20 for a motor that specs a 5W-50 seems reckless to me. That's a $15K motor that you're wanting the OP to experiment with.
Scott
but the car is only specing a 5w50 cause the track pack. SAME EXACT engine ad in the regular gt. that calls for 5w20.
What is so terrible about using 5W-50 in the car? I think it's a shame that people are trying to talk the OP into switching to 5W-20.
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
but the car is only specing a 5w50 cause the track pack. SAME EXACT engine ad in the regular gt. that calls for 5w20.
Hmm, didn't know/notice that. I thought it was the supercharged GT500 motor.
I quote your thread because your follow-up is the most civil, unlike too many hostile ones on this forum.
Thanks for the clarification. Based on your comment, I'd consider running an xW-20 as well.
Scott
but the car is only specing a 5w50 cause the track pack. SAME EXACT engine ad in the regular gt. that calls for 5w20.
Hmm, didn't know/notice that. I thought it was the supercharged GT500 motor.
I quote your thread because your follow-up is the most civil, unlike too many hostile ones on this forum.
Thanks for the clarification. Based on your comment, I'd consider running an xW-20 as well.
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Heck,if I had a regular GT I`d run 5W50 in it :^)
because 5w50 is not needed.. still can't see why ford says this is the spec fr all conditions.
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
because 5w50 is not needed.. still can't see why ford says this is the spec fr all conditions.
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
Is 5W50 the only choice of oil for this car to be warranty complaint?
because 5w50 is not needed.. still can't see why ford says this is the spec fr all conditions.
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
Is 5W50 the only choice of oil for this car to be warranty complaint?
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
I agree with that.
Scott
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
I agree with that.
Scott
What oil should someone lapping their standard 2014 GT use?
It says 5W-20 on the oil cap. And this is a dumbed down world.
???
What if they put an oil cooler and Brembos on?
It says 5W-20 on the oil cap. And this is a dumbed down world.
???
What if they put an oil cooler and Brembos on?
Amazing. The people who designed, tested, and built the motor determine it needs a 5w50 and a bunch of people who did not design, test, or build anything recommend a 20 grade without having a clue.
I hope no one is stupid enough to risk a relatively expensive motor based on what they read here.
I hope no one is stupid enough to risk a relatively expensive motor based on what they read here.
Originally Posted By: Flareside302
because 5w50 is not needed.. still can't see why ford says this is the spec fr all conditions.
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
But then you would need a dashboard switch to tell the ECU what oil was in the sump...the xW-20 WILL reach it's performance limits on track use, and pull power in engines so equipped to run the 20...it's a positive design feature according to some.
Run the 50 with the neutering feature, and it will pull the power while the oil still has plenty up it's sleeve.
Run the 20 without the neutering (like this car), and the oil not good enough...so they specified 50 with the track pack, and dropped the neutering.
Easier to do that than have a dashboard switch, or mandatory oil change before a track day.
because 5w50 is not needed.. still can't see why ford says this is the spec fr all conditions.
they should've spec's 5w20 and 5w50 for track use only due to the temps you'll see.
But then you would need a dashboard switch to tell the ECU what oil was in the sump...the xW-20 WILL reach it's performance limits on track use, and pull power in engines so equipped to run the 20...it's a positive design feature according to some.
Run the 50 with the neutering feature, and it will pull the power while the oil still has plenty up it's sleeve.
Run the 20 without the neutering (like this car), and the oil not good enough...so they specified 50 with the track pack, and dropped the neutering.
Easier to do that than have a dashboard switch, or mandatory oil change before a track day.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
All this teeth gnashing over warranties. Doesn't tracking the car void the warranty anyway.
If I were not going to track the car and were going to drive it within the parameters of keeping my license, I'd just use the 0W-20 synthetic oil.
But engineers like me tend to want to mess with everything.
I can't speak for Ford, but both my BMW dealer and my Mazda dealer knew I took my Club Sport and MS3 to HPDEs and I never had an issue with warranty coverage- and my MS3 needed a front strut, a turbo, and a VVT actuator during the warranty period.
All this teeth gnashing over warranties. Doesn't tracking the car void the warranty anyway.
If I were not going to track the car and were going to drive it within the parameters of keeping my license, I'd just use the 0W-20 synthetic oil.
But engineers like me tend to want to mess with everything.
I can't speak for Ford, but both my BMW dealer and my Mazda dealer knew I took my Club Sport and MS3 to HPDEs and I never had an issue with warranty coverage- and my MS3 needed a front strut, a turbo, and a VVT actuator during the warranty period.
Originally Posted By: SlipperyPete
Amazing. The people who designed, tested, and built the motor determine it needs a 5w50 and a bunch of people who did not design, test, or build anything recommend a 20 grade without having a clue.
I hope no one is stupid enough to risk a relatively expensive motor based on what they read here.
It says on the cap MotorCraft 5W-50 fully synthetic which is what I intend to run, I don't want to get fancy here.
This is the owners manual
and this is the supplement that came with the car.
And this is the indepth article about the coyote motor
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techart...ne/viewall.html
What is all the tiff about folks, I am genuinely interested? It does have a digital gauge I will check the temps when I drive it next, and also will say if the Oil Pressure is "normal" or not. This car will probably never see track time, but you bet your [censored] it will see Wide open through alot of the gears all the way to 7k
Amazing. The people who designed, tested, and built the motor determine it needs a 5w50 and a bunch of people who did not design, test, or build anything recommend a 20 grade without having a clue.
I hope no one is stupid enough to risk a relatively expensive motor based on what they read here.
It says on the cap MotorCraft 5W-50 fully synthetic which is what I intend to run, I don't want to get fancy here.
This is the owners manual
and this is the supplement that came with the car.
And this is the indepth article about the coyote motor
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techart...ne/viewall.html
What is all the tiff about folks, I am genuinely interested? It does have a digital gauge I will check the temps when I drive it next, and also will say if the Oil Pressure is "normal" or not. This car will probably never see track time, but you bet your [censored] it will see Wide open through alot of the gears all the way to 7k
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