My Suv had a heart attack, too much Bacon? Help!

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Originally Posted By: Jooksing
Long time occasional lurker of BITOG, but still newb on this forum so please excuse my etiquette.

This will be unbelievable to many.. but watch the videos. I am trying to figure out what to do. I figured you guys and gals will go nuts over this.

So long story short My new oil has gelled up/thicken in my engine. I was able to drain the [censored] out with the engine warm. Waiting on Blackstone for results.

Oil is Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0w20 with 1,500 miles put in in Nov/2017. Hybrid SUV 08 Lexus RX400h has 126k miles. Oil changed every 5k for the past 4 years with Mobil 1 filter. Coolant is clean and pink (toyota long life)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj5Kn8IyiC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Q4FBKrNYY

See the other video I posted to my youtube account (sorry I am new to youtube too )


I just got in on this legend thread, I saw 'heart attack' and was incredulous but this is arguably a good data point against Mobil 1, which I have long been leery of and experienced high iron levels, burning or consumption issues, and generally an overrated formula.s Always overrated which is another way of saying don't worry about underestimating them. The oils I like are the surprises one that have gifts in store for you in your vehicle, the data points that are not as scientific as a BITOG UOA but high on the seat of the pants fun factor. In addition, I am wary of deposits and protection too especially in these modern, small displacement turbos that are yielding unbelievable FE gains!!
 
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Did you save the Walmart receipt from original purchase? Like someone earlier had said,I wonder if the barcode on the jug can have it's transactions traced,to see if you'd bought a returned product.

That is a good idea, if they want to bother. I have a feeling XOM is going to deny any blame. If there are no other complaints, [none are appearing other than this one on the www.] then they would be right in doing so. OTOH if that jug was in fact returned to Walmart then Walmart is to blame for not checking, and the OP can attempt to seek compensation from Walmart for their screw up. However Walmart can claim the jug was fine when it left the store, and it can become a circle jerk.


Bar codes aren't serialized, so don't see how anyone could track a specific jug of oil by the bar code.
 
Originally Posted By: HondaBroMike
I just got in on this legend thread, I saw 'heart attack' and was incredulous but this is arguably a good data point against Mobil 1, which I have long been leery of and experienced high iron levels, burning or consumption issues, and generally an overrated formula.s Always overrated which is another way of saying don't worry about underestimating them. The oils I like are the surprises one that have gifts in store for you in your vehicle, the data points that are not as scientific as a BITOG UOA but high on the seat of the pants fun factor. In addition, I am wary of deposits and protection too especially in these modern, small displacement turbos that are yielding unbelievable FE gains!!

It's getting thick in here, lol.

First the black helicopters of ExxonMobil are going to delete this thread and erase history. Now all of their products are to be suspect even though it it is nearly impossible for the bottle to have been produced incorrectly.

Thanks for the high iron thing too, you stepped it up with "unbelievable Fe gains". I corrected your element abbreviation, hope that's ok.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Thanks for the high iron thing too, you stepped it up with "unbelievable Fe gains". I corrected your element abbreviation, hope that's ok.


Guess the OP's goo can't be Mobil 1 then since the used oil analysis shows low Fe.
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Thanks for the high iron thing too, you stepped it up with "unbelievable Fe gains". I corrected your element abbreviation, hope that's ok.


Guess the OP's goo can't be Mobil 1 then since the used oil analysis shows low Fe.
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LOL and it was thick....Imagine thick oil/goo and low iron in the same sentence.
 
So generally speaking. What are the signs of counterfeit oil?

What distributor would most likely be trying to pass off counterfeit oil?

To eliminate the chance of buying counterfeit oil would it be better to buy directly from Schaeffer's or Amsoil's or brand XXXXXX website?
 
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Speculation w/o chemical analysis ... We "think" he either had a tampered jug of oil/returned with something else inside, or a tampered filter which he changed at the same time ...

I can see a scenario where someone changes their oil and keeps the jug for some other project. They go on about their glue-up or varnishing of a say a cabinet or something and close the jug.

The kid comes along and sees a full jug and thinks he'll get a few $$ by returning it, and does so. It's full of varnish or wood preservative, etc.

WM takes it back and it goes on the shelf. All down hill from there ...
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Originally Posted By: Jooksing
Do I blame them now.. well now I do.
I think I got a defective product from them however unlikely it is.


The "oil" has no additives in it. The sample that came back confirmed that. The traces that were present were from the residual oil in your previous OCI.

If Mobil shipped you straight PAO/Visom without additives, it STILL wouldn't do what this product did! That's not oil, base, or otherwise, that was in that bottle.

What, prey tell, would Mobil have in their bottling plant that isn't oil, but could accidentally be put in their bottle that would somewhat look like oil (enough that it didn't tip you off when you poured it in your engine) but would turn to this disaster after being exposed to heat? If you've got ideas, I'm all ears, because I can't think of anything that this bottle would come in contact with during the packaging process that would result in it getting anything other than base oil or add pack, neither of which you obviously have.

I think the rather obvious answer here is that you didn't get engine oil, and the odds of that being Mobil's fault are pretty low.

As others have mentioned, these products are produced in batches. Ergo, other people would have this exact same issue. Where are they?

You seem hesitant for some reason to accept the idea that you got played by somebody who returned a jug of oil with something other than oil in it. Given the fact that I've seen that on this site, multiple times (even used oil), I'd say that is far, FAR more likely than Mobil's bottling plant somehow deviated your bottle of oil and filled it with Canola oil or some other product that looks like motor oil but isn't and shouldn't be present on a bottling line for engine oil
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Originally Posted By: HondaBroMike


I just got in on this legend thread, I saw 'heart attack' and was incredulous but this is arguably a good data point against Mobil 1, which I have long been leery of and experienced high iron levels, burning or consumption issues, and generally an overrated formula.s Always overrated which is another way of saying don't worry about underestimating them. The oils I like are the surprises one that have gifts in store for you in your vehicle, the data points that are not as scientific as a BITOG UOA but high on the seat of the pants fun factor. In addition, I am wary of deposits and protection too especially in these modern, small displacement turbos that are yielding unbelievable FE gains!!


Are you serious? Talk about bloody hyperbole! Yeah, next Mobil will be raping your wife and shooting your children. Sweet [censored]... Thanks for the awesome insight.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
ALL Does ANYONE here SERIOUSLY have a somewhat positive answer that caused OP's oil to turn to jelly like it did?


It's not motor oil. That's your answer. We don't know what it is, but the used oil analysis shows that it isn't engine oil, it has no anti-wear additives and the viscosity is off the chart.
 
In my case I was buying 55 gallon drums that were filled by the distributor. It used to be the norm, a bit less so nowadays, for distributors to purchase common oils in bulk, holding the oil in tanks for distribution, sometimes through bulk transfers, sometimes there are license agreements that allow them to package the product into drums, buckets and what not. Mobil at least used to supply barrel bung seals, and blank labels with the Mobil logo and colors, that were printed at the distributor to indicate the product, quantity, and distributor information. As the price of reconditioning barrels has increased, some distributors are no longer barrelling oil, and simply buying in barrels, this has created a bit of a problem for some end users as they are now stuck with disposing of the drums.

When buying from a distributor that repackages, you are at their mercy, and your testing to ensure what you paid for is what you got. In later years, I was involved with purchasing in bulk, usually 275 gallons at a time, each delivery was sampled and tested by a CAT dealer.

In my case, what was supposed to be Delvac 1330 turned out to be little more than zinc free hydraulic oil, the gear oil was just of extremely low quality. I will admit that I should have noticed the color of the Delvac engine oil was light whereas it should have been quite dark.
 
Originally Posted By: Jooksing


Another thing I am shocked if this is not motor oil is that there was no wear after 1500miles.


That's not how used oil analysis work.

Large particles won't even show up, and you have large particles, we saw them in your oil pan.

UAO's see particles smaller than roughly 10 microns. However, this also assumes that these particles are suspended in the oil. Oils contain dispersants and detergents whose job is picking up contaminants and wear products and keep this stuff, along with whatever else is generated during the engine's operation in suspension. This product had no real additives, which also means it likely had no dispersants or detergents, which means that any particles, including ones from irregular wear that were smaller than 10 microns, wouldn't be suspended in the product and as such, wouldn't have shown up in the analysis.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jooksing


Another thing I am shocked if this is not motor oil is that there was no wear after 1500miles.


That's not how used oil analysis work.

Large particles won't even show up, and you have large particles, we saw them in your oil pan.


He should also cut open the oil filter for a look inside for large metal particles. Use tin snips or a filter cutter (not a hacksaw or die grinder, etc) to prevent any metal contamination during the cutting process.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
That's not oil, base, or otherwise, that was in that bottle.


It could easily be vegetable oil or Linseed oil.... or "something" ... not Mobil 1

Whoever tampered with the jug did a great job hiding the evidence.
 
FWIW...back when I had the Caprice, I did one (short) OCI with regular blotter tests with Delo GOld Ultra, with one of the 5 litres replaced with Canola oil.

Chose the Delo Gold Ultra as it was uber high additised...the brew did nothing whatsoever like shown here.
 
Originally Posted By: Linctex
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
That's not oil, base, or otherwise, that was in that bottle.


It could easily be vegetable oil or Linseed oil.... or "something" ... not Mobil 1

Whoever tampered with the jug did a great job hiding the evidence.

Does anyone think that baby oil could have been used?
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It was probably Walmart "Great Value" brand vegetable oil. Something that resembles oil and acts like oil. Obviously, whatever is was had to be cheaper than the Mobil 1 oil it replaced in order for it to make good economical sense.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jooksing
Do I blame them now.. well now I do.
I think I got a defective product from them however unlikely it is.


The "oil" has no additives in it. The sample that came back confirmed that. The traces that were present were from the residual oil in your previous OCI.

If Mobil shipped you straight PAO/Visom without additives, it STILL wouldn't do what this product did! That's not oil, base, or otherwise, that was in that bottle.

What, prey tell, would Mobil have in their bottling plant that isn't oil, but could accidentally be put in their bottle that would somewhat look like oil (enough that it didn't tip you off when you poured it in your engine) but would turn to this disaster after being exposed to heat? If you've got ideas, I'm all ears, because I can't think of anything that this bottle would come in contact with during the packaging process that would result in it getting anything other than base oil or add pack, neither of which you obviously have.

I think the rather obvious answer here is that you didn't get engine oil, and the odds of that being Mobil's fault are pretty low.

As others have mentioned, these products are produced in batches. Ergo, other people would have this exact same issue. Where are they?

You seem hesitant for some reason to accept the idea that you got played by somebody who returned a jug of oil with something other than oil in it. Given the fact that I've seen that on this site, multiple times (even used oil), I'd say that is far, FAR more likely than Mobil's bottling plant somehow deviated your bottle of oil and filled it with Canola oil or some other product that looks like motor oil but isn't and shouldn't be present on a bottling line for engine oil
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It seems to me the OP bought oil that was returned to Walmart. Since the OP claims he is OCD and would have noticed a difference whatever was put in that jug was good enough to trip him up. [FTR-I am not knocking the OP] It happens. With regard to XOM, the odds of it coming out of their plant are slim to none, unless a disgruntled employee filled a jug with this faux oil and it made it to a Walmart store. I doubt that. I'll say someone crafty bought a jug of the oil, probably used it, replaced it with whatever he could that looked like oil, returned it to Walmart, and was successful in fooling Walmart and the OP. Apparently what it was we don't know, and may never know. One thing for sure was it wasn't Mobil 1.
 
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