My Quest for Good Cheap Oil

[Javed]

Guys, NAPA oil is not cheap, it's $30 for a jug on their website. For that money you can get nice Pennzoil and Mobil 1. Mobil 1 ESP is cheaper than that. WTH!
Correction, it is $26 and made by Valvoline. But which Valvoline? Hopefully the Extended Protection.

 

[4WD]

Any of you know of AMALIE SYNTHETIC engine oil? I bought seven cases of 12 quarts each 5w-50 for a cheap price.
API SP and SQ.

STP can be the cheapest Amalie …

 

[4WD]

Guys, NAPA oil is not cheap, it's $30 for a jug on their website. For that money you can get nice Pennzoil and Mobil 1. Mobil 1 ESP is cheaper than that. WTH!
Correction, it is $26 and made by Valvoline. But which Valvoline? Hopefully the Extended Protection.

M1 Truck & SUV is under $25/jug right now …

 

[Javed]

M1 Truck & SUV is under $25/jug right now …

People don't do research, they enter the Napa store and that's how Napa gets them with their oil and oil filter. It's like my local Jeep Stealership wants $17 for a Mopar oil filter and $55 for air filter.

 

[4WD]

People don't do research, they enter the Napa store and that's how Napa gets them with their oil and oil filter. It's like my local Jeep Stealership wants $17 for a Mopar oil filter and $55 for air filter.

I find NAPA stores adjust to the market. Our store caters to mechanics and truckers - and overall is expensive …
I go in there once and a while to browse - they always offer to help - then I just grab a spray can of CRC etc - the box stores don’t have …

 

[4WD]

Plus there’s nothing left to cut.
You can only blend so much group 2 with group 3 and still be considered synthetic.

Yeah, EHC sells for XOM - and it would shock folks to know who all buys that GrpII+ …

 

[tired]

Yeah, EHC sells for XOM - and it would shock folks to know who all buys that GrpII+ …

Ok I’ll bite. Who’s EHC? And who is buying all the group II?

Can you blend group II in and still call it “full synthetic”??

 

[facility1]

for a good cheap priced oil,Cenex Maxtron is worth a look,,forumulated by themselves (CHS) is the parent company, really a sleeper oil ,only found at Cenex gas stations and distributors.

 

[Carlostrece]

Ah ok so you hypothesize that the kind souls at Warren formulate Supertech to be robust enough to pass the rigorous tests for Euro specs out of the kindness of their hearts then without seeking the approvals?

That's not what he said.

 

[Carlostrece]

First off, where is the evidence showing the Euro tests are more "rigorous" than API SP? I know they are different, but are they actually stricter? Is there evidence showing that Euro specs protect an engine better than SP, ILSAC: GF-6A? Or are the test just different?

I think the evidence is clear that Euro oils are better. They're defineately thicker at 100C (KV100) per grade in most cases.

However, there are a few thicker USA Full Syn oils by Shell and Quaker State Ultimate Protection Full Syn is thick per grade for a USA Full Syn and I think those are GTL too. Valvoline EP FS is pretty thick per grade. Valvoline HM EP FS is even more thick per grade. I suspect NAPA FS is Valvoline EP FS in a NAPA bottle. You don't always need a Euro oil to have robust viscosity per grade.

In addition to viscosity there may be other things (additives) about Euro oils that make them superior to most USA oils, but Euro oils cost more and I think are unnecessary for American and Japanese cars.

Others will have other opinions. I suggest using search feature to lookup threads about Euro oils where the technical details have already been explained. There are dozens, probably hundreds, of threads about that.

 

[tired]

I searched on YouTube that are all oils equal. It turns out they are not. It's like getting all the ingredients and trying to make a cake, you cannot beat experience. You will make a horrible cake. I think we should trust Exxonmobil, Shell and Castrol for their cakes

That was a great video, Very informative. Did not realize the expertise that goes into the mixing process.

I wonder if that is part of Amsoil's secret sauce. You never hear about anyone with issues running Amsoil.

 

[Javed]

That was a great video, Very informative. Did not realize the expertise that goes into the mixing process.

I wonder if that is part of Amsoil's secret sauce. You never hear about anyone with issues running Amsoil.

His second analogy is so spot on. Everybody who scores 50% will become a medical doctor, that's the requirement, but the best doctors will exceed that 50% they will get 95%. Does it mean Dr. Super Tech got 50%? And HPL, Red Line and Amsoil must have been like, this is baby talk, we're not even taking this test. Driven even says on the bottle that be careful, we don't have approvals
Maybe not Secret sauce, but they definitely have secret methods and procedures. Like I could give you the recipe for roasting a lamb, but you'll never do as good of a job as my mom. She has decades of hands-on experience

 

[Carlostrece]

That 400k Jeep on Super Tech says a lot about that Jeep, not Super Tech.

The 410K Jeep 4L on Supertech does say a lot about Jeep 4L, but also Supertech, IMO. We know it's a good design of engine, but we also know the oil was adequate. Maybe better than adequate.

Perhaps with a better oil it might have gone 500K. We'll never know.

 

[Javed]

The 410K Jeep 4L on Supertech says a lot about Jeep 4L and Supertech, IMO. We know it's a good engine sure, but the oil was at least adequate. Maybe better than adequate. Maybe with a better oil it might have gone 500K. We'll never know.

Those 4.0's are all like that. They don't die easy. That's why people still want top dollar for TJ's and XJ's. Those Stright sixes of the 90's were crazy, many companies had them. 80 series LC also had a bomb proof straight six. The biggest Jeep hater Scotty Kilmer also loves the TJ.

 

[Javed]

The 410K Jeep 4L on Supertech does say a lot about Jeep 4L, but also Supertech, IMO. We know it's a good design of engine, but we also know the oil was adequate. Maybe better than adequate.

Perhaps with a better oil it might have gone 500K. We'll never know.

See, they want that money. It is crazy.

 

[Carlostrece]

You are the person claiming Euro specs are "better". What is the basis of your claim?

With all due respect, both Tired and I have subtley, politely, gently, and diplomatically tried twice already to get you to realize this. You don't take subtle, polite hints. So now I'm going to state this in plain English.

An indepth discussion of Euro oils is off topic to this thread. There are hundreds (possibly thousands) of BITOG threads about Euro oils that you can search for and find that have already explained all Euro oil details that you could want to know and more.

Please read the Euro oils threads for indepth info about Euro oils. Please stop goading others in this thread into providing indepth Euro oil info in this thread. It's off topic for this thread.

 

[Carlostrece]

Guys, NAPA oil is not cheap, it's $30 for a jug on their website. For that money you can get nice Pennzoil and Mobil 1. Mobil 1 ESP is cheaper than that. WTH!
Correction, it is $26 and made by Valvoline. But which Valvoline? Hopefully the Extended Protection.

I think NAPA Full Syn is Valvoline EP Full Syn in a NAPA bottle. So I think it's very good oil. NAPA oil is reasonably affordable when on a monthly sale, especially if/when the sale includes NAPA oil and NAPA Gold filter package deal.

However, NAPA Gold regular price is 5 qt jug $30. I'd never buy it at regular price though. I'd wait for a sale. It's currently on sale for $25.

However, you make a valid point. Quaker State Ultimate Protection Full Syn regular price is 5 qt jug $24. It's sometimes on sale for $20.

That's a good enough reason right there to choose QSUPFS over NAPA, IMO. Also, QSUPFS is a very good oil too, IMO.

 

[Carlostrece]

In the name of safety, our cars were made crappy. Instead of trying to make that TJ more safe, why not give the resources to the DMV to make the drivers safe? Getting a driver's license in the United States is a piece of cake, that's not the case in the rest of the world. You have to earn it

With all due respect... That is off topic for this thread.

 

[Javed]

So NAPA is Valvoline and QS Shell. Those guys know how to make good cakes, I would trust their cakes. Can't go wrong with either.

I think NAPA Full Syn is Valvoline EP Full Syn in a NAPA bottle. So I think it's very good oil. NAPA oil is cheap when on a monthly sale, especially if/when the sale includes NAPA oil and a NAPA Gold filter.

However, NAPA Gold regular price is 5 qt jug $30. I'd never buy it at regular price though. I'd wait for a sale. It's currently on sale for $25.

However, you have a point. Quaker State Ultimate Protection Full Syn regular price is 5 qt jug $24. It's sometimes on sale for $20.

That's a good enough reason to choose QSUPFS over NAPA, IMO. Also, QSUPFS is another very good oil, IMO.

 

[Javed]

So the way T Mobile has a cheaper version Metro by T Mobile, these big oil companies also have budget versions. What is the budget version of Mobil 1, we need to find that.