My Honda service dept experience today.

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A year ago i was killing the overtime at work and my wife comes to me saying "the hondas making a grinding noise" after a quick drive i observed the brakes needed attention asap, the car was already going to the dealership the next day for a recall and i told her i was simply to busy to do the reapir and just let the shop fix it.. well that was 11 months ago and 11,000 miles ago.

Monday, a 200 mile round trip to Indy and i noticed pulsating in the pedal.. I break out the cell and call the dealer, "Yes sir we warranty our work for 12 months or 12,000 miles" Perfect, im inside there standard, a appointment was made for 9:00 Thursday.

Thursday: I show up at 8:30am and they take the keys and have the car on the rack in about 3 minutes flat, within 17 minutes of arrival the service (desk man) appraches me with a list of what my car needs

You'r car rotors need to be resurfaced $90
You need a new rear hub assembly $275
you need new wiper blades $45
You need a allignment $120

We can do it all right now sir !

I stop him and explain, that the car is within there limits for brake service warranty and they did the work, im here for them to fix it, No thank you on the $45 dollar wiper blades, the shop across the street does the allignment and tire rotations and balance. And if i do need a new rear hub assembly... show me, let me hear it. So he walks me out to the car and the the mechanic spins the rear tire clockwise, i hear what sounds like pads on rotor.. and thats exactly what i say to them.. they say i obviously dont have to do anything with it, there just pointing out the problem. I retort, listen if you can prove to me i need a new hub assembly then so be it, but all i hear is brakes on rotors.. I tell tehm if they can prove there is a real problem ill let them fix it. they agree to dig deaper and prove it

about 7 minutes later the mechanic has it all tore apart and i am brought back out for a listen, he spins the bearing assembly and there is the faintest sount of something catching.. I lower my head in defeat.. "alright guys, go ahead" and i return to the waiting area.

I watch out the window and pay attention, the mechanic has a new assembly installed in about 5 minutes.. very fast, my car stays on the lift another hour with nobody touching it, when the rotors are done the mechanic returns and puts it all back together.. maybee another 10 minutes. He pulled the car off the lift and goes for a test drive, he's gone 25 minutes.. this is about 9:45am

I get a little steamy and go tell the desk, hey the mechanic pulled my car off the lift 25 minutes ago, where's my car ? Service man "He must be test driving it".

another 15 minutes go by and the service man comes and tells me im ready.

I pay $274.xx and exit Knowing i paid for a hour of "book work" and watched that man work on the rear hub for a totall of less than 20 minutes from dissasembly to reassembly.

I take the car across the street to my tire shop and they look over Hondas's allignment claims for me and tell me what i had already gathered.. nothing was wrong.. straight as a arrow.

The pont of this long winded Rant ? i went in for simple brake work under warranty and feel like i got took. did i need a new rear Hub ? (im assuming) the Rear hub assembly wasnt some trickery and i actually had a problem.. It was clear to me they were burning up some clock time with a 25 minute test drive.. I dont know. i have a gut feeling telling me they were going to make some $$ one way or another. Or this could have been a completely normall visit and the tech simply was being very picky and they did me a favor by finding the problem before it got bad.. Im not sure.. im just sharing my Honda visit.


p.s. my windshield wipers are just fine, clear the windshield just perfectly as a matter of fact.
 
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The techs get paid flat rate "book time" and have no incentive to burn up time on a test drive - they're always trying to beat the clock.

Did you ask why they said you needed an alignment?
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
The techs get paid flat rate "book time" and have no incentive to burn up time on a test drive - they're always trying to beat the clock.

Did you ask why they said you needed an alignment?


Yes, and he said i had uneven wear on the tires. I mentioned this to the shop across the street and they gave me a look like
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Just find a very good Indy shop that are not crooks.

If any BITOG members need a top notch shop in the Palm Beach area, PM me and I will give you their info. These guys don't try and charge for adjusting your muffler bearings.
 
When you go to a dealership you are paying for more than the repair. The Keurig machine, the sofas in the vistor lounge, the 56" plasma TV showing Dr Phil, the sales guy you can smell a mile away. Simple economics here.

If you want value in a repair goto the place you need to wipe off the vinal chair before you sit down if you think that is prudent and the work order is covered with smudges of brake lube and the smell of transmission fluid is in the air when the actual guy in a blue dickie who worked on the car slides open the service window.
 
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Originally Posted By: SIXSPEED
Is the pulsating brake pedal issue fixed?


Dont laugh at me, at in town speeds the barkes are fine now.. maybee even a bit touchy.. I havent done a from speed rapid stop yet.. i will do this after work tonight.
 
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
i went in for simple brake work under warranty and feel like i got took.


How much of that feeling comes from knowing you could have done it yourself for less than half the cost?
 
I agree the dealership is more expensive, I usually use a Indy shop for most repairs out of my skill set. and they DONT have a leather couch or a big screen tv.. maybee thats why there hunting for problems ? saving up to buy things to make the customers stay a better one ?
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I will say this, i like Honda's but when they break or need repair.. if you go to the dealer.. be prepaired, its probably gonna hurt. and after owning two Accords now i will put this out there, Ive had just as many problems and repairs needed on a Honda as i have any other auto ive owned, the difference being when the Honda gets fixed by the shop its ubber pricey.. like that $400 starter i paid for last year... sheesh... As for cost of ownership to be completely honest ive had my best luck with Chevy's. Fit and finish on both the Honda's ive owned has been above the same with Chevy cars.. but the overall cost of ownership is about the same.. Two pennies.
 
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Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
i went in for simple brake work under warranty and feel like i got took.


How much of that feeling comes from knowing you could have done it yourself for less than half the cost?


well, i simply stuck to my word.. i told them if they could (Prove) i had a problem id let them fix it.. i also called a trusted Indy shop and for once they were almost the exact same price for the repair.. Ive never replaced a rear Hub before but as quickly as he did it there's no way it could have been very hard.. im curious now if any special tools are required for that job.. non OEM rear assembly looks fairly cheap.. i wonder if there's much difference.
 
My local indy doesn't turn rotors. He says it makes them too thin, more easily warp from heat. 2nd set of pads they get replaced. I go along with that, because rotors are cheap. This time I needed a caliper. Pads, rotors, 1 caliper + labor, $285.
 
Get used to saying, "NO, NO, NO" when you go into these places. Fix what needs to be fixed and be on your way. So many people fall into this trap thats why they do it over and over.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Just find a very good Indy shop that are not crooks.

If any BITOG members need a top notch shop in the Palm Beach area, PM me and I will give you their info. These guys don't try and charge for adjusting your muffler bearings.


PM sent.
 
Originally Posted By: EType
One word: Stealership


Exactly.


The thing that amazes me is that these dealers
whine and complain when customers point out exactly the kind of scenario you did. Yet these business CONTINUE to pull the same nonsense day after day year after year.

The thing is sure they ripped you off and made a few more bucks that ONE TIME. But you will never be back, you will complain to fam and friends, and of course put the word out on the internet, so in a sense over the longer haul they will loose money and business.

How about telling us the name of this business so that others can avoid it?
 
Buyer beware. Did it say " The Church of Honda" above the door? Do yourself a favor and find a good indy who has lots of Honda experience. I have one to do all of the things that I can't.

But shame on you for not pressing the warranty further.
 
My dad's Civic Hybrid likes to frequent the Honda dealer where it was purchased new. Their basic services seem pricey, with 0W20 oil changes running about $80 on my dad's car (at least they used to be that much). However, they have been excellent about repairing things under warranty and providing loaner cars. The Civic has needed around $8K in warranty work...new trans, burnish start clutch, battery pack, various other things. The dealer has never given my dad any run around about it, and they were even able to get Honda to warranty the trans even though it failed a couple thousand miles outside of the part of the warranty that covered it. Also, he gets loaded Accord loaners each time. They seem to provide good service and good quality work, but I'm sure getting all those $80 oil changes helped with that.

I've had exceptionally good luck with Ford dealers that have been open for 50 years +. They have never tried to upsell me on anything that wasn't legit, they seem to know that I know the truck well, and no comebacks. I am picky about the truck, but they seem to respect that, and to some extent maybe appreciate it (it isn't a heap mechanically, no junky aftermarket parts, no hack job repairs except my body work, I understand things they tell me). Never even had issues with supplying my own parts, but I only bring quality goods. They also know I do most things myself and don't seem to have an issue with that. Some of the good service may come from them knowing I will check the work, but I also don't think they would stay open for over five decades if they made a habit of screwing people over. There are four different Ford dealers in two different states that fit this description who have earned my occasional business. Unfortunately though, unless you own a Ford, GM, or Dodge, good luck finding a dealer that has been open that long.
 
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