Children are unique. There are no guarantees when it comes to kids. If you can't adapt to their bent & don't have a strategic plan for teaching them, then don't have 'em.
My daughter's alternative to human children
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Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
No offense to those who participate but I like my life just fine.
There is no comparison between pets and children.
Joel
Whaterver you gotta do to feel better.
Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
No offense to those who participate but I like my life just fine.
There is no comparison between pets and children.
Joel
Whaterver you gotta do to feel better.
Originally Posted By: Master ACiD
no kids no wife and currently no girlfriend.
i have 2 dogs and an all terrain vehicle. if i don't want to do the dishes for a week, i don't. if i feel like sorting my motor oil collection in the living room, i can. watch mythbusters naked? like every day!
life is good.
Right on... I'm 27, and while I love kids and everything, I don't want them yet. And starting a family would be about the only reason I'd want to get married. All of my married friends (at least the ones who've been married more than a year or so) encourage me to enjoy my freedom while it lasts, so that's what I'm doing.
Funny how it always sounds like a threat when females tell me that.
- Scott
no kids no wife and currently no girlfriend.
i have 2 dogs and an all terrain vehicle. if i don't want to do the dishes for a week, i don't. if i feel like sorting my motor oil collection in the living room, i can. watch mythbusters naked? like every day!
life is good.
Right on... I'm 27, and while I love kids and everything, I don't want them yet. And starting a family would be about the only reason I'd want to get married. All of my married friends (at least the ones who've been married more than a year or so) encourage me to enjoy my freedom while it lasts, so that's what I'm doing.
Funny how it always sounds like a threat when females tell me that.
- Scott
All I will say on either side of social engineering/moral control......beware of unintended consequences.
Never really planned to be a parent. When I thought I was poking fun, the wife took me seriously!
Now I've had the conversion, from a "production" model to a pure "sports" model.
Bob
Now I've had the conversion, from a "production" model to a pure "sports" model.
Bob
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Well, there was this short story in Omni magazine that had a guy that they thawed out of some cryogenic thingie. All the way from the lab to the administration offices he heard stuff (oddly, just like we have today) like "Take it and stick it!!" and all kinds of other things that any sensible citizen would find LOW LIFE AND SCUM LIKE AND ONLY COMING FROM THE MOUTHS OF LOW LIFE SCUM THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CULLED from existence. He asked "What happened?". The well educated and rational socialized men told him that while all the sensible and smart people practiced family planning ..that the blithering idiots propagated like bacteria and overran the place.
Seems like this fiction piece from the mid 70's came true. I don't know if attempting to compete with them for space is the answer.
Seems like this fiction piece from the mid 70's came true. I don't know if attempting to compete with them for space is the answer.
I'm not sure that's a recent thing. Well-educated, wealthy familes throughout the past have tended to focus their resources on a handful of children (better chance of continued prosperity), while the poor and uneducated kept poppin' 'em out.
I've also read interesting articles about how religious folks have tended to have larger families than the agnostic/atheistic folks. To be sure, there are lots of factors at play!
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I've also read interesting articles about how religious folks have tended to have larger families than the agnostic/atheistic folks. To be sure, there are lots of factors at play!
- Scott
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The well educated and rational socialized men told him that while all the sensible and smart people practiced family planning ..that the blithering idiots propagated like bacteria and overran the place.
Seems like this fiction piece from the mid 70's came true. I don't know if attempting to compete with them for space is the answer.
And that is the way I see it too.
Reference, Pop Culture, pro sports,
Britney Spears bred, Paris Hilton is pregnant etc. I have" severed"
"Blank" my ability to swim in the dirty pathogen infested gene pool.
The well educated and rational socialized men told him that while all the sensible and smart people practiced family planning ..that the blithering idiots propagated like bacteria and overran the place.
Seems like this fiction piece from the mid 70's came true. I don't know if attempting to compete with them for space is the answer.
Reference, Pop Culture, pro sports,
Britney Spears bred, Paris Hilton is pregnant etc. I have" severed"
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You're correct. I was trying to offer those of alleged intelligence and sensibility a "consequence" to not propagating like bunnies. A plausible reason to go until the wife's organs give out. If you don't...you'll have fewer and fewer favorable people and more and more blithering idiots. Not that I really think that outnumbering the blithering idiots is a way to attempt to "fix" anything in terms of population controls ..nor do I think that just because you're intelligent that you're going to produce "welcome" new members to the planet ...much like not all those born of lower station will remain there.
..but it will allow you to promote unthrottled child bearing of otherwise sensible people who know that the last thing the planet needs is more of them.
..but it will allow you to promote unthrottled child bearing of otherwise sensible people who know that the last thing the planet needs is more of them.
The more crowded it gets the less free space and true freedom each individual will know. It is true that medicine and technology have improved, but our quality of life has degenerated due to excessive population.
I would rather have less technology and medicine and have the space that was enjoyed a few generations ago. WE have become enclosed by our jobs, depending on our employers and the economy in general for our sustenance. Most Americans have no "survival land" to grow food on much less the knowledge and will to use it.
How free are we compared to previous generations? I am not going to feed a child to the fire of an enclosed society. Enclosed by fear that they need a job to eat. Enclosed in a system that encourages them to produce more labor and more laborers. [censored] no!
Children born today will have a much lower quality of life and a lower standard of living than the current generation. No amount of electronic gizmo's are going to change that fact. Having children is not doing the children any favors.
I would rather have less technology and medicine and have the space that was enjoyed a few generations ago. WE have become enclosed by our jobs, depending on our employers and the economy in general for our sustenance. Most Americans have no "survival land" to grow food on much less the knowledge and will to use it.
How free are we compared to previous generations? I am not going to feed a child to the fire of an enclosed society. Enclosed by fear that they need a job to eat. Enclosed in a system that encourages them to produce more labor and more laborers. [censored] no!
Children born today will have a much lower quality of life and a lower standard of living than the current generation. No amount of electronic gizmo's are going to change that fact. Having children is not doing the children any favors.
That settles it. I'm giving out condoms downtown for Christmas.
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I do agree with you that I think that we're a species in decline. One would normally expect that all the benefits of those achieving would be shared by all ..that is ..advancing all to the higher status. What we've found is that it's an exchange and that there is only so much ability to sustain so many at such a status. We're watching the evening out now. Technology did give us the appearance of an advancing lifestyle for a bit. Things like cable, VCR, ..even cars ..all getting into more hands cheaply and in almost assured numbers. But this apparent advancement is running out of steam. We've really accomplished very little in the form of true advancement for a rather long time. We communicate better and can pack more information, of all kinds, into smaller and smaller packages ..yet we're still using the reciprocating engine after about 100 years of development. Along with that, we've also come up with more creative ways to use even MORE energy.
I don't see a bright future for my children's children ..but I doubt that anyone is going to stop men and women from being men and women.
Maybe frozen embryos would satisfy our desire for immortality. You could leave them to the future and if conditions support/require them ..they use them.
I don't see a bright future for my children's children ..but I doubt that anyone is going to stop men and women from being men and women.
Maybe frozen embryos would satisfy our desire for immortality. You could leave them to the future and if conditions support/require them ..they use them.
The wreck less energy consumption (and yes I am part of the [censored] problem but I am enclosed in an energy industry career [censored]! )that is still occurring with little true reform in the works, just measures passed by congress for the corn lobby for profit not true energy conservation just go to illustrate the fatal path we are going for a ride on as a society. When most food you eat has traveled 1500 miles on average, When we all require so much time energy and money to invest in our transportation to and from our to far away jobs. ( I have a vehicle payment and pay 600-800 a month in airfare 12 months a year).
I know I am part of the problem, I was born into it, but I have come to the realization that this is a path we cannot continue to travel. I remember not so long ago I was blissfully in denial, denying pollution or energy consumption was a problem at all.
I remember the stories my grandfather told me when I was a child of his childhood, compare his memories to the memories of my own childhood and turn and observe children today, enclosed, less free. It is easy to see in my eyes the direction and I don't like it.
I know I am part of the problem, I was born into it, but I have come to the realization that this is a path we cannot continue to travel. I remember not so long ago I was blissfully in denial, denying pollution or energy consumption was a problem at all.
I remember the stories my grandfather told me when I was a child of his childhood, compare his memories to the memories of my own childhood and turn and observe children today, enclosed, less free. It is easy to see in my eyes the direction and I don't like it.
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My parents referred to our cats as their grandkittens till we had kids. That was in our twenties but we have moved on.
Kids are far better than any pet could be because they are after all, people. The personalities, and talents of these two small people are just off the scale compared to a pet. I grew up with dogs and have had cats for the past 11 years. Frankly, the cats have been great but I'd drop them off to the Humane Society if the wife would let me. I tolerate dogs even less.
Why kids are better than pets:
You can converse with them.
They go in the potty. Eleven years on they are not still going in the yard for you to step in or in the box for you to clean. They flush. Don't have to walk them around the block to [censored] on the neighbor's bush.
Smell better even with a loaded diaper.
You come to the realization tht they are becomming faster, better, and smarter than you. They are version You2.0.
They are still fun to mess with. My daughter got hung up on "drinkable yogurt". I find the name of the product silly so when she was demanding this at bedtime after brushing. I said "No drinkable yogurt, how about potable water?" It's fun having a two year old asking you for potable water at bedtime.
My parents referred to our cats as their grandkittens till we had kids. That was in our twenties but we have moved on.
Kids are far better than any pet could be because they are after all, people. The personalities, and talents of these two small people are just off the scale compared to a pet. I grew up with dogs and have had cats for the past 11 years. Frankly, the cats have been great but I'd drop them off to the Humane Society if the wife would let me. I tolerate dogs even less.
Why kids are better than pets:
You can converse with them.
They go in the potty. Eleven years on they are not still going in the yard for you to step in or in the box for you to clean. They flush. Don't have to walk them around the block to [censored] on the neighbor's bush.
Smell better even with a loaded diaper.
You come to the realization tht they are becomming faster, better, and smarter than you. They are version You2.0.
They are still fun to mess with. My daughter got hung up on "drinkable yogurt". I find the name of the product silly so when she was demanding this at bedtime after brushing. I said "No drinkable yogurt, how about potable water?" It's fun having a two year old asking you for potable water at bedtime.
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You come to the realization tht they are becomming faster, better, and smarter than you. .....
That's what it's all about.
You come to the realization tht they are becomming faster, better, and smarter than you. .....
That's what it's all about.
Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
Children born today will have a much lower quality of life and a lower standard of living than the current generation.
I agree, but primarily because they are the bottom end of the giant Ponzi scheme that has been implemented over the last 60 years.
The monetary system is debt based, requiring eternal expansion to keep in existance.
The retirees of the next few years will have fewer new taxpayers to fund the services that they will require in retirement.
The corporate forces, to ensure their financial success (and that of their shareholders, who typically aren't entry level employees) are driving down wages and conditions, and removing things such as health care, while retiring on all that they have "earned"...some retirement schemes down here pay not on accumulated earnings, but some multiplier of the final year's income.
Yep, the system is way skewed to screw the newbie.
And if they do somehow try to live off the land, there are laws to obtain "fair taxation" off of barter transactions, land taxes etc etc.
Children born today will have a much lower quality of life and a lower standard of living than the current generation.
I agree, but primarily because they are the bottom end of the giant Ponzi scheme that has been implemented over the last 60 years.
The monetary system is debt based, requiring eternal expansion to keep in existance.
The retirees of the next few years will have fewer new taxpayers to fund the services that they will require in retirement.
The corporate forces, to ensure their financial success (and that of their shareholders, who typically aren't entry level employees) are driving down wages and conditions, and removing things such as health care, while retiring on all that they have "earned"...some retirement schemes down here pay not on accumulated earnings, but some multiplier of the final year's income.
Yep, the system is way skewed to screw the newbie.
And if they do somehow try to live off the land, there are laws to obtain "fair taxation" off of barter transactions, land taxes etc etc.
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Inheritance
Home Equity
Reverse Mortgages
The first is all about gone
The second assures that it will never be again
The third is necessary for many to live if they didn't blow it all with #2.
Note the trend ...and extend it out on even the most shallow of slopes.
Home Equity
Reverse Mortgages
The first is all about gone
The second assures that it will never be again
The third is necessary for many to live if they didn't blow it all with #2.
Note the trend ...and extend it out on even the most shallow of slopes.
Perhaps it's because I don't currently have kids, but I don't agree that we are all necessarily "slaves". It is very possible to live below one's means, and not to be in debt. In America, food is cheap enough that no one who can hold a job needs go hungry. In addition, we live like kings -- warm houses/apartments, aforementioned food is available 24 hours a day, heck, I can poop inside, in a warm room! A visitor from the nineteenth century would surely be baffled by our technology, but I doubt many would want to go back, even if they were "freer" then. The "good old days", upon actual research, really weren't.
We are spoiled, if anything. That is a geniune problem, and no doubt helps fuel our consumerism.
- Scott
We are spoiled, if anything. That is a geniune problem, and no doubt helps fuel our consumerism.
- Scott
Scott,
it does.
"five star" houses are pointless when we've got 1 or 2 people living in them.
4 people in a 5 star house is what the comparable standard was. now we've got 2 or 3 (with the requisite reduction in bushland or farming land) with 1 or 2 people living in them.
Society would be better off with more people living in fewer houses. Better co-operation with neighbours etc.
Consumerism is necessary, as we need unlimited and constant growth to stop the money bubble collapsing.
That's my biggest fear with Oz's superannuation policies.
with 15% of every working person's wage being "saved" for their retirement, and that savings being at a maximum of 20 years old...there's another 20 years of savings before an equilibrium is reached.
What are the super companies going to invest in with all of the money which they HAVE to invest ?
How can they keep returns at 10-15% ?
If we are funding our own retirement, then why are we still being taxed as 'though we will recieve a pension (other than to fund current retirees) ?
Who funds the perpetual growth ?
Perpetual growth is needed to prop up the system. The system has finite resources, and will have a diminishing number of drones.
it does.
"five star" houses are pointless when we've got 1 or 2 people living in them.
4 people in a 5 star house is what the comparable standard was. now we've got 2 or 3 (with the requisite reduction in bushland or farming land) with 1 or 2 people living in them.
Society would be better off with more people living in fewer houses. Better co-operation with neighbours etc.
Consumerism is necessary, as we need unlimited and constant growth to stop the money bubble collapsing.
That's my biggest fear with Oz's superannuation policies.
with 15% of every working person's wage being "saved" for their retirement, and that savings being at a maximum of 20 years old...there's another 20 years of savings before an equilibrium is reached.
What are the super companies going to invest in with all of the money which they HAVE to invest ?
How can they keep returns at 10-15% ?
If we are funding our own retirement, then why are we still being taxed as 'though we will recieve a pension (other than to fund current retirees) ?
Who funds the perpetual growth ?
Perpetual growth is needed to prop up the system. The system has finite resources, and will have a diminishing number of drones.
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