I recently convinced a friend of mine to begin changing his own oil. He has a 2009 Dodge Journey and wanted to send a sample to Blackstone before the warranty was up. Yesterday he gets a phone call from Blackstone concerning the extremely high wear metals in his sample. I haven't seen the report but I suggested he do another sample in 3,000 miles and get it to the dealer to have it documented. I did warn him that most likely the dealer will not have any idea of what a UOA is.
My buddy gets a call from Blackstone..
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what is a journey
He'll be on a Journey to convince the Dodge people there is a problem based on a UOA from an outside source. Especially if there are no symptoms. This should play out quite interesting. I'd get a second opinion of my own just to be sure there were no mix ups with this report.
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Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
what is a journey
http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/journey/
Did the DC Smart Car design engineers get "sentenced" to staying with Chrysler? Looks like a shorter, plumper, bloated version of a Durango/Nitro/etc.
That worthless content said, you've gotta get a copy of that UOA to post.
Eyes gotz2 nose.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
what is a journey
http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/journey/
Did the DC Smart Car design engineers get "sentenced" to staying with Chrysler? Looks like a shorter, plumper, bloated version of a Durango/Nitro/etc.
That worthless content said, you've gotta get a copy of that UOA to post.
Eyes gotz2 nose.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Did the DC Smart Car design engineers get "sentenced" to staying with Chrysler? Looks like a shorter, plumper, bloated version of a Durango/Nitro/etc.
That's a pretty unflattering photo (figures that its what they'd use on their own website- Chrysler's gotten real good at self-inflicted wounds). In person, I find the Journey to be a very appealing little "crossover" (also a term I don't really like, but its getting pretty standardized). I think it would be a great seller for Dodge if PEOPLE KNEW IT EXISTED!!! They really haven't advertised it at all to speak of.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
That worthless content said, you've gotta get a copy of that UOA to post.
Eyes gotz2 nose.
If nothing else I'd sure like to know which engine he's got and how many miles in addition to exactly what wear numbers looked so bad. Break-in still in progress??? (it is an 09 after all so it could be anything from just off the lot to over a year old). Surely he wouldn't have sent in a sample of the factory fill....
Did the DC Smart Car design engineers get "sentenced" to staying with Chrysler? Looks like a shorter, plumper, bloated version of a Durango/Nitro/etc.
That's a pretty unflattering photo (figures that its what they'd use on their own website- Chrysler's gotten real good at self-inflicted wounds). In person, I find the Journey to be a very appealing little "crossover" (also a term I don't really like, but its getting pretty standardized). I think it would be a great seller for Dodge if PEOPLE KNEW IT EXISTED!!! They really haven't advertised it at all to speak of.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
That worthless content said, you've gotta get a copy of that UOA to post.
Eyes gotz2 nose.
If nothing else I'd sure like to know which engine he's got and how many miles in addition to exactly what wear numbers looked so bad. Break-in still in progress??? (it is an 09 after all so it could be anything from just off the lot to over a year old). Surely he wouldn't have sent in a sample of the factory fill....
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That's a pretty unflattering photo (figures that its what they'd use on their own website- Chrysler's gotten real good at self-inflicted wounds)
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For all I know that's the look that's en vogue. That's just the way I'd describe it. They sorta did it with the Liberty too. It should have had cleaner lines and been slightly bigger. I kept seeing a Chevron Clamation Technron commercial. I couldn't wrap around the last "chopped" ganstah look that they swedged in the last evolution of sedans and (cough-cough) hearses ..I mean (cough-cough) wagons ....oops.
Maybe I'm just behind the times. In 4 or 5 years I might like it, but it's sorta like the little television I watch. I find reruns that are a few years old enjoyable ..but I don't know if they're the same garbage that they were the first time around ..and it's just that the current productions SUCK SO MUCH MORE that it makes them look good ...or if I've finally learned to appreciate what others identified immediately.
That's a pretty unflattering photo (figures that its what they'd use on their own website- Chrysler's gotten real good at self-inflicted wounds)
For all I know that's the look that's en vogue. That's just the way I'd describe it. They sorta did it with the Liberty too. It should have had cleaner lines and been slightly bigger. I kept seeing a Chevron Clamation Technron commercial. I couldn't wrap around the last "chopped" ganstah look that they swedged in the last evolution of sedans and (cough-cough) hearses ..I mean (cough-cough) wagons ....oops.
Maybe I'm just behind the times. In 4 or 5 years I might like it, but it's sorta like the little television I watch. I find reruns that are a few years old enjoyable ..but I don't know if they're the same garbage that they were the first time around ..and it's just that the current productions SUCK SO MUCH MORE that it makes them look good ...or if I've finally learned to appreciate what others identified immediately.
Don't the 2009s have their LIFETIME warranty?
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
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I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
If he has documented 4k OCI's with PP he qualifies for the PP 250k engine guarantee. Tell him to get on the PP website and sign up just in case Chrysler tells him to pound salt. He will have to run the engine till it grenades in any case so stick to the PP 4k oci. The silicon could be other things besides dirt no? Gasket?
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
If he has documented 4k OCI's with PP he qualifies for the PP 250k engine guarantee. Tell him to get on the PP website and sign up just in case Chrysler tells him to pound salt. He will have to run the engine till it grenades in any case so stick to the PP 4k oci. The silicon could be other things besides dirt no? Gasket?
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Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
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Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
doesn't the 3.5L (which is an option on that car) call for 10w-30. i beleive it was one of theirs that never took on 5w-20?
Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
doesn't the 3.5L (which is an option on that car) call for 10w-30. i beleive it was one of theirs that never took on 5w-20?
This is the reason recommended oil weight and OCI should be followed during warranty period. If the car doesn't have correct oil weight now, it should be drained and put in correct weight.
Why can't Chrysler get anything right this past decade? They were riding a hot streak in the 90's with the Ram, Intrepid, etc. What a long hard fall.
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Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
I questioned this as well but the oil cap and owners manual say 10W-30.
Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
I questioned this as well but the oil cap and owners manual say 10W-30.
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Why can't Chrysler get anything right this past decade? They were riding a hot streak in the 90's with the Ram, Intrepid, etc. What a long hard fall.
obviously you don't know the 3.5L engine. multiple examples over 300,000 miles and inproduction since 1993. mike
Why can't Chrysler get anything right this past decade? They were riding a hot streak in the 90's with the Ram, Intrepid, etc. What a long hard fall.
obviously you don't know the 3.5L engine. multiple examples over 300,000 miles and inproduction since 1993. mike
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
I questioned this as well but the oil cap and owners manual say 10W-30.
If that is the case then I would get a second UOA, and use that as proof that there is a problem. Remember there is a slim chance the first UOA might have gotten fouled up. Two bad reports, and you start to build a pretty solid case to back up your concerns.
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Originally Posted By: Slick17601
I think so, I don't have the report but the Aluminum was 183 with a universal average of 5. Silicon was high at 21 so it must be eating some dirt.
31,000 total miles, 4,000 mile interval with PP 10W-30.
Chrysler calls for 5W20, so they could very well hassle a warranty claim. Why not try the suggested oil for a few OCI's and take another sample?
I questioned this as well but the oil cap and owners manual say 10W-30.
If that is the case then I would get a second UOA, and use that as proof that there is a problem. Remember there is a slim chance the first UOA might have gotten fouled up. Two bad reports, and you start to build a pretty solid case to back up your concerns.
See if you can get them to retest to make sure the reading are accurate first. Second you may want to look into terry dysons service if you are looking to press the dealership to fix it. He will have a better idea whats wrong and where the metal is coming from.
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