Motor Week - Goss - filter fumble

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: dnewton3

Here is the offending segment in all it's glory:
http://www.motorweek.org/features/goss_garage/cheap_oil_filters
His flub is both in the video and written text, for all to see.


His example and comments about that engine's timing chain getting damaged from the small amount of media that came off that small tear/puncture in the media and plugged up a pathway for the oil fed timing chain mechanism is one reason these Purolator tears should be taken seriously IMO.

Yes, he clearly flubbed up on the ADBV/bypass valve comments. That video isn't very old, just put on YouTube on Oct 3, 2014. People have picked up the error with comments on YouTube.

 

[dnewton3]

I would not disagree with the filter media comment, except to say that there is a fundemental difference between a tear and a shedding of material.
In the Goss video, it appears as if a small portion of the media (nearly circular) dislodged and broke free to "move freely about the cabin", so to speak.
In contrast, a simple tear may not release material, but only become a void where particulate could pass. Not at all desirable, but also not the same thing.

I also disagree with his genearl precept of the "check valve" comments. He infers that serious damage will occur if the (proper ABDV) function does not take place. I see no evidence of that. I wholly agree that the ADBV is a positive thing to have in terms of nearly-instantaneous flow, but I don't see any data that shows engine destruction is emminet without it. By far and away, it calms folks nerves because it eliminates (or greatly reduces) the noises at start up. But I do not for one second believe that ONLY FLOW will prevent engine damage. Too much evidece that the tribochemical barrier is a great contributor here as well, and perhaps the leading protector, in terms of start-up wear.

So essentially he tells folks that some function is critical to avoid serious damage (which I see no proof of), and then points to the wrong part of the filter for the discussion. A double-down dose of stupid, IMO. Regardless, many people watch that show, and take his word as gospel. For such glaring errors to occur, only firms my stance that he is not as credible as many think.

 

[Sayjac]

Just to add, it appears the you tube was added more than a year ago under the title Goss' Garage: Oil Filters (9/27/13).

And agree that many folks take what he says as gospel. He missed on the description of the bypass on this one.

And the specific example shown in video is not representative of the majority Puro tear anecdotes posted here.

 

[goodtimes]

The bypass valve is a check valve also, oil flows only one way. He was wrong with his further comments about the purpose, but I am not so hard on peoples mistakes. Zero percent of the people writing here could stand up to live camera presentation and not do worse. None would make it through two minutes I bet. One minute. I would also bet he knows well where the adbv is. His advice has always been more on the basic side, even obvious to car people, but good. He more appeals to the DIYer with a new wrench set and new oil pan asking now what, IMO.

 

[mr_diy]

His message that the quality of the filter does matter, is spot on. The production of the segment is what is flawed. If you separate the filter visual from the verbiage you would be hard pressed to discredit his message. Certainly would help if his props were more aligned to the message and Pat/director/editor could have done better here.

Should not be surprised that the engine or filter are not the actual failed example, welcome to television production.

Overall his segments are great at educating both the layman and even some "would be experts" on the vehicle maintenance.

 

[Texan4Life]

Originally Posted By: WobblyElvis
I occasionally find him to make a minor mistake during his technical presentations. He tends to recommend excessive maintenance, but then you have to look who sponsors him.

I just saw him say to keep your fuel tank low on fuel to increase fuel economy. Ya gotta be kidding.


lol really? I remember him one episode he said to never do that because the fuel cools the fuel pump. so running around low all the time is bad for your fuel pump

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Texan4Life
Originally Posted By: WobblyElvis
I occasionally find him to make a minor mistake during his technical presentations. He tends to recommend excessive maintenance, but then you have to look who sponsors him.

I just saw him say to keep your fuel tank low on fuel to increase fuel economy. Ya gotta be kidding.


lol really? I remember him one episode he said to never do that because the fuel cools the fuel pump. so running around low all the time is bad for your fuel pump

Yea if that's the case I should have gone through a dozen FP over the years, another myth.

 

[JerryBob]

Lewis Rukeyser said it for years:

Owings Mills, MD 21117.

Drop Pat a line there.

I'll bet he was just reading a teleprompter, though.

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: Texan4Life
I love motor week.. but I usually take anything Goss says with a grain a salt.


Espically sine he almost always tells people to not DIY.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: dnewton3
I would not disagree with the filter media comment, except to say that there is a fundemental difference between a tear and a shedding of material.


IMO, any tear has the potential to shed material ... especially with oil flow rushing through the tear for thousands of miles.

 

[oilpsi2high]

Someone needs to start making spoofs of Goss's Garage in their own garage.

 

[1kickbuttranger]

It looks like he grabbed the wrong side of the filter and didn't notice. He should have flipped it around and all would have been good.

 

[dnewton3]

Originally Posted By: 1kickbuttranger
It looks like he grabbed the wrong side of the filter and didn't notice. He should have flipped it around and all would have been good.



Except that the ADBV is a separate component and not truly attached to the media ...

No - he did what he intended, IMO. He's just flat wrong.

 

[DuckRyder]

Originally Posted By: oilpsi2high
Someone needs to start making spoofs of Goss's Garage in their own garage.


Well there you go!

Just fire up your own youtube channel and refute it!

 

[oilpsi2high]

Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: oilpsi2high
Someone needs to start making spoofs of Goss's Garage in their own garage.


Well there you go!

Just fire up your own youtube channel and refute it!



Don't tempt me.

 

[CT8]

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