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Originally Posted By: Artem
$100 for a synthetic oil change? HAHAHAHA. Do people really buy into this stuff? You can literally get a DIY synthetic oil change deal from Autozone for $33 (5 quarts of synth oil + quality filter) and then pay that same shop $15 for labor to change the oil and come out $50 on top of what they charge!
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Right now you can get that type of deal for $24.99 at AAP.

A 5 quart jug of QSUD and a Driveworks oil filter costing up to $11.99.
 
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
Originally Posted By: bubbatime

My mother in laws Toyota Camry gets 5W30 Castrol AT THE DEALER. The car calls for 0W20 or 5W20 right on the oil fill cap, but the dealership puts 5W30 Castrol conventional in everything anyways. Kinda kills your argument about "warranty approved oils."



A dealer told me they do stuff like that because they have "local knowledge" of the driving conditions. I guess that Toyota does not know where San Diego, California is. It's lucky the dealer is stepping up to help out.


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It's unfortunate, but there are scams everywhere. Earlier this summer my wife took the kids to visit her family in eastern PA. While there, her Mountaineer developed a horrible miss and running very rough. It happened late on a Saturday afternoon, the day before they were supposed to leave. I tried talking her into waiting until the next day when a dealership opened up (the only place I'd trust to work on my vehicle in an area I'm not familiar with) but she needed to be at work Monday morning so she set out in search of a place that was open. She found a shop that was affiliated with Goodyear so I figured it may be our best shot. They scanned the vehicle she called me and put me on the phone so I could speak with the manager. Diagnosis came back a bad coil pack on #7 and a misfire on one of the cylinders on the other bank. He quoted me somewhere in the neighborhood of $550 for the coil and to change out all 8 plugs. I really did not like the idea of anyone other than myself or a certified mechanic wrenching on those plugs as the 4.6 is quite prone to seizing the plugs up and it is easy to break them off in the head if you are not careful. Not as bad as the 5.4, but bad enough that there is a written procedure in my OEM Ford service manual for removing them and extracting them in the event of one breaking. I had a 5 minute discussion with the manager on this subject, he assured me no problem his guys do them all the time and they could have the car back to my wife in 2-3 hours. So I agreed to let them do it and they took the car around back while my wife called her aunt for a ride. 3.5 hours later, they call saying the vehicle is done. Wife drives it back to her aunts no problem and it sat overnight until the next day when they got in it to go home. Less than an hour into the trip, the car starts bucking, CEL dings and continues to get worse and worse until she no longer felt safe driving it and pulled off on the next exit. Now it's Sunday morning, NOBODY is open, and my wife and kids are stranded 4 hours from home. So I hitched my trailer up and headed out to get them. Upon arriving I popped the hood half expecting to see a loose coil or connection, and boy was I in for a shock. There was 1 well that looked to be clean, which happened to be the one they had to replace the coil on. That was the only clean well, the others were dirty and grimy and looked like they hadn't been touched. I started wiggling the coils (on the 4.6 each plug has it's own coil it snaps down on and the coil is retained by a small 6mm bolt), and #5 looked loose and suspect. So I popped that coil off and low and behold the ceramic on the plug was badly chipped. And it was an old plug. No clue how they managed to do that but my only guess is extreme carelessness. The only other one they messed with was #3 and they gave up on it and snapped the coil back on, but failed to install the retainer bolt so it was riding around on top of the plug, likely making an intermittent connection. Once Monday came, I called the Goodyear shop up that worked on it and asked the manager how he slept that night knowing he sent a woman and two small children on a 400 mile trip knowing not only that the vehicle was unsafe but lying to us about the work performed. I said some other choice words, he red faced denied everything stating he signed off on the mechanics work and charged all the parts out himself. I told him he'd be hearing from me again and hung up the phone. Now normally I do all my own work but I knew in this instance I would need documentation so I called my dealer up that we bought the vehicle from and explained the situation to them. They pulled all the plugs out, took pictures of each as they were removed, took a picture of the missing bolt on the coil pack, and faxed it over to the corporate office with the claim number that the wife had received when she called there and opened a complaint. The company was very apologetic once they received the pictures from my dealership and reimbursed us all of our money that they charged us originally and paid our bill at the dealership. The one thing that really bothered me still was not knowing if these goons were still wrenching on other peoples cars so about a week after they reimbursed us I called corporate back and discussed the severity of the situation, telling them the manager was well aware of the long drive my wife had ahead of her and how adamant he was about the work being done. They informed me the mechanic told the manager he couldn't do the job after attempting to remove two of the plugs, said he was afraid of breaking them off. So the manager told him to button it back up with the new coil and let him know when it was done. The manager proceeded to call my wife, tell her the car was done, and billed us for all the work. The mechanic didn't say anything until a regional manager came in to investigate with the pictures of the old plugs in his hand and the mechanic rolled over on his boss. They were both terminated on the spot.
 
^ wow thanks for sharing.

That's the one advantage with going to (some of the) nationwide chains. They are easier to hold accountable and will fire people. Independents who screw up will fight taking responsibility.

These days, any vendor screws up, my first step is to dispute it on the credit card.
 
Ah, the old switcheroo. Nice touch refilling Mobil 1 jugs. What do you do when the jugs get a little ratty? Get new jugs, of course! Walmart? You know they have the best price on the stuff. Where's the "good" oil go? In your own car (or your family's cars). Nothing new here folks. Old as mankind. Caveat emptor!
 
Originally Posted By: aa1986
These days, any vendor screws up, my first step is to dispute it on the credit card.


That was my next step but the corporate office seemed willing to work with me when I told them my car was at a dealership and they were documenting the repairs. I gotta give my dealership kudos, this was the first vehicle we bought through them and didn't have much of a relationship at all with them, but they went out of their way to help us get things resolved. They have certainly earned our respect and likely will be where we purchase our next vehicle from.
 
I see a lot of comments about "overcharging" for oil.

Not all shops get killer rates on bulk and few buy their oil from Wal-Mart.

Example: I can buy a quart of Euro formula Mobil 1 0w-40 for about $8.99 or just over $9.00 from local suppliers or even a national distributor. I'm going to mark that up 15%, making the price near or over $10.00/qt. Am I "overcharging"? No.

You guys get all wound up anytime you get wind of someone paying more than two or three dollars a quart, but forget that you're not the ones doing the work. DIY prices and shop prices are not in any way, shape or form equivalent.
 
That guy with cap looks honest to me,
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They are doing basically the same this as oil companies.
Selling mineral oils as synthetics.
 
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I had a friend that worked at a quick lube, he told me that they will put regular oil in a customers car then take the synthetic oil home for their own cars. The regular oil comes in bulk and the synthetic comes in bottles. So they got to sell synthetic oil changes to take the bottles. I know he telling me the truth, because he traded me 7 qts of Havoline Full Synthetic for football tickets and he explained to me how he got the oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I had a friend that worked at a quick lube, he told me that they will put regular oil in a customers car then take the synthetic oil home for their own cars. The regular oil comes in bulk and the synthetic comes in bottles. So they got to sell synthetic oil changes to take the bottles. I know he telling me the truth, because he traded me 7 qts of Havoline Full Synthetic for football tickets and he explained to me how he got the oil.


talk about low. people pay for synthetic but get the bulk oil instead. are there any honest people out there?
 
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I'm a diy car guy. Many of my buddies are not. They have no interest in doing their own oil changes, etc. I show them these investigations videos, hidden camera, reports, etc on oil scams and they still take their vehicles to the local quicki lube. One friend had an engine seize after a visit to the local valvoline 5 min oil change place. He took it to a certified GM mechanic to rebuild the engine and he verified the oil in the motor was almost non existent. They drained it but probably forgot to refill. It scares me that people I care about have to deal w shady businesses.
 
quickee places are terrible. they hire the same quality of employee that McD's does. Ive heard horror stories.

And who would ever trust bulk oil!!?!?!?! sealed quart bottles are the only way to go.... trust nobody. There is just too much incentive and it's just to easy to "get over" on the average non-educated (automotive-wise) car owner
 
I know personally two people who lost engines because of 'quick lube' type places. One an untightened drain plug and the other a loose filter. In both cases the oil light came on during freeway driving and neither got stopped and shut down before engine damage. Both ultimately got used engine replacements of unknown quality(of course) and a bad experience for both. I've always been generally bothered by the picture of young/inexperienced/hormone driven entry type fellas 'smokin+jokin' being responsible for this and tires/lug nut type work.
 
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
talk about low. people pay for synthetic but get the bulk oil instead. are there any honest people out there?


There are, and I see them here on bitog as well.

Let's keep on encouraging them and show them our appreciation.
 
Originally Posted By: jrmason
It's unfortunate, but there are scams everywhere. Earlier this summer my wife took the kids to visit her family in eastern PA. While there, her Mountaineer developed a horrible miss and running very rough. It happened late on a Saturday afternoon, the day before they were supposed to leave. I tried talking her into waiting until the next day when a dealership opened up (the only place I'd trust to work on my vehicle in an area I'm not familiar with) but she needed to be at work Monday morning so she set out in search of a place that was open. She found a shop that was affiliated with Goodyear so I figured it may be our best shot. They scanned the vehicle she called me and put me on the phone so I could speak with the manager. Diagnosis came back a bad coil pack on #7 and a misfire on one of the cylinders on the other bank. He quoted me somewhere in the neighborhood of $550 for the coil and to change out all 8 plugs. I really did not like the idea of anyone other than myself or a certified mechanic wrenching on those plugs as the 4.6 is quite prone to seizing the plugs up and it is easy to break them off in the head if you are not careful. Not as bad as the 5.4, but bad enough that there is a written procedure in my OEM Ford service manual for removing them and extracting them in the event of one breaking. I had a 5 minute discussion with the manager on this subject, he assured me no problem his guys do them all the time and they could have the car back to my wife in 2-3 hours. So I agreed to let them do it and they took the car around back while my wife called her aunt for a ride. 3.5 hours later, they call saying the vehicle is done. Wife drives it back to her aunts no problem and it sat overnight until the next day when they got in it to go home. Less than an hour into the trip, the car starts bucking, CEL dings and continues to get worse and worse until she no longer felt safe driving it and pulled off on the next exit. Now it's Sunday morning, NOBODY is open, and my wife and kids are stranded 4 hours from home. So I hitched my trailer up and headed out to get them. Upon arriving I popped the hood half expecting to see a loose coil or connection, and boy was I in for a shock. There was 1 well that looked to be clean, which happened to be the one they had to replace the coil on. That was the only clean well, the others were dirty and grimy and looked like they hadn't been touched. I started wiggling the coils (on the 4.6 each plug has it's own coil it snaps down on and the coil is retained by a small 6mm bolt), and #5 looked loose and suspect. So I popped that coil off and low and behold the ceramic on the plug was badly chipped. And it was an old plug. No clue how they managed to do that but my only guess is extreme carelessness. The only other one they messed with was #3 and they gave up on it and snapped the coil back on, but failed to install the retainer bolt so it was riding around on top of the plug, likely making an intermittent connection. Once Monday came, I called the Goodyear shop up that worked on it and asked the manager how he slept that night knowing he sent a woman and two small children on a 400 mile trip knowing not only that the vehicle was unsafe but lying to us about the work performed. I said some other choice words, he red faced denied everything stating he signed off on the mechanics work and charged all the parts out himself. I told him he'd be hearing from me again and hung up the phone. Now normally I do all my own work but I knew in this instance I would need documentation so I called my dealer up that we bought the vehicle from and explained the situation to them. They pulled all the plugs out, took pictures of each as they were removed, took a picture of the missing bolt on the coil pack, and faxed it over to the corporate office with the claim number that the wife had received when she called there and opened a complaint. The company was very apologetic once they received the pictures from my dealership and reimbursed us all of our money that they charged us originally and paid our bill at the dealership. The one thing that really bothered me still was not knowing if these goons were still wrenching on other peoples cars so about a week after they reimbursed us I called corporate back and discussed the severity of the situation, telling them the manager was well aware of the long drive my wife had ahead of her and how adamant he was about the work being done. They informed me the mechanic told the manager he couldn't do the job after attempting to remove two of the plugs, said he was afraid of breaking them off. So the manager told him to button it back up with the new coil and let him know when it was done. The manager proceeded to call my wife, tell her the car was done, and billed us for all the work. The mechanic didn't say anything until a regional manager came in to investigate with the pictures of the old plugs in his hand and the mechanic rolled over on his boss. They were both terminated on the spot.


Thank you for sharing.
 
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