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My concern would be in the bathroom department. You can live in small rooms. But I only had one bathroom. That can become a problem with 4 or more people under the same roof, at the same time...... :poop: If you know what I mean.
Not too long ago, historically, houses all had one bathroom. An Outhouse, in the back yard.
 
My concern would be in the bathroom department. You can live in small rooms. But I only had one bathroom. That can become a problem with 4 or more people under the same roof, at the same time...... :poop: If you know what I mean.
My 3 brothers, 2 parents and myself shared one bathroom for a few years. Doable, as we didn't all have the same schedule.
 
Where are these 1000 sq ft houses and what percentage of the sale goes to fixed costs like lot size, permits, well, septic etc?

We don't have a ton of "starter" houses here because they aren't getting permitted, and those who own existing stock still want 90% the price of a 2700 sq ft house if it's in a good school district.

Maybe if we changed how schools are funded, people would be more open to letting 1000 sq ft houses go up, again.
1000 sq ft is enough for 3 bedrooms, 1 for parents 1 for boys 1 for girls. Some families even live in RVs these days. Now that is some small space.

I'll try to avoid as much of the politics as possible but school district is going to go political no matter how you cut it out.

Education in general has 2 parts: 1) to improve and equip your children for the future, and 2) to fix what parenting couldn't do on its own. What we have in the US is the K12 education is local funded and the parents who have the time and money tends to be the one who can afford to care about their kids' future. By binning these parents and children together you get good school district, and a lot of money, and they do not need to spend as much fixing the parenting mistakes. The opposite is true when you put low income parents in low cost neighborhood with a lot of bad influences, plus a massive cost to fix the bad parenting.

Some places on earth (i.e. Hong Kong back when I grew up in the 80s and 90s) the school system put students in different "band" of schools by test scores and they are all funded by the same single source instead of by neighborhood property tax. As a result we didn't have the upward and downward spiral problem in funding / cost per student mismatch problem in the US. It is not perfect, as well off parents still send their kids to the tiger tutors and get a head start, but students who care in low income housing have a better chance than students who don't care in high income housing.

1000 sqft is not the problem, plenty of people in the world raise a family of 4+ in that amount of space successfully.
 
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My concern would be in the bathroom department. You can live in small rooms. But I only had one bathroom. That can become a problem with 4 or more people under the same roof, at the same time...... :poop: If you know what I mean.
Toilet can be a few mins affair, shower can wait, and brushing teeth / washing hands can be done in the kitchen. Make up only requires a mirror on a desk.
 
Some places are falling behind but not because curriculum. Mostly because of wealth disparity.
Blame the curriculum, blame the teachers, blame someone or something else. This is the losing mentality that will definitely result in a worse education.
1) When you only pay low middle class wage to hire teachers, you get low middle class candidate pool for the jobs
2) In my school district we have like 7 elementary schools, same curriculum, but based on the part of the city it is in they rank from 3/10 to 10/10. It is therefore not the curriculum or the teachers (they rotate once in a while).
3) Yes, the curriculum are dumbed down to focus on helping the worst case students not to drop out (i.e. common core math to help those who couldn't do the hard and fast way), instead of making sure we get 10% of the top students ready for MIT and change our world. The well off parents will obviously not rely on only public school or private school alone, they will send their kids out to tutoring and get ahead. I went to both a bad public school and a bad private school, they aren't any better automatically than the other. At least in the US we can do AP classes if we are trying to get ahead, but nobody will force you to if you are lazy and your parents don't know or don't care.
 
When you only pay low middle class wage to hire teachers, you get low middle class candidate pool for the jobs
Paying teachers more money doesn't improve ANYTHING. This has been well proven. All one has to do is look at current teaching salaries. We're spending more money to educate our kids than ever before, and most are coming out of the 12th grade dumb as a box of rocks.

Look at Chicago if you need proof. They set the bar so low you have to dig to find it. The Teachers Union there is all but bankrupting that city, with completely unsustainable pensions and salaries. And has been for years.

Property taxes in and around the Chicago area are among the highest in the nation. And it's one of the main reasons housing prices are going down, while most everywhere else they're skyrocketing. People simply can't afford to live there, let alone retire there. Which is why they're leaving in droves. Again, the Chicago Teachers Union is greatly to blame for all of this insane expense in and around Cook County, Illinois.

I really get sick and tired of listening to how underpaid teachers are. They're striking somewhere every 5 minutes for more money. Yet ALL of them knew the pay rate when they decided to take that profession in life. Same as we all did in our jobs. Yet as soon as they get the job, they all start whining for more money.

They have 3 months off every year. Not to mention every holiday know to man, with the possible exception of Mr. Clean's birthday. And still they complain more about pay than anyone I've ever seen or known.

These same teachers have allowed, (and in many cases pushed for), the curriculum to focus less on math and science, along with technical skills, and more on social justice issues. None of which are going to help these kids one bit when they get out in the real world. The colleges are even worse in regards to this.

Mike Rowe said it the best. "We're loaning money we don't have, to kids who can't pay it back, to train them for jobs that no longer exist". Notice how you never see a "protest" at a trade school? Perhaps there is a very good reason for that. It can't help but make you wonder what these "teachers" are pumping into these kids heads today?

Today home schooling is seeing a large rise in families across the nation. I can certainly understand the reasons why. And paying teachers more money isn't going to solve any of them.
 
Worker bee chiming in here...

I'm seeing a lot of low morale in my workplace, and from what I gather it seems to be pretty typical across other industries as well. I'm really curious what others are experiencing. We have a lot of good people heading for the door at my work. I'm struggling myself with lack of motivation due to increased workloads, no incentives (i.e. no bonuses/raises) and a generally ever increasing chaotic work environment.

Questions:
1. On a scale of 1-10 (1 low, 10 high), how is the current morale in your workplace?
2. Have you yourself considered leaving your current job, and why?
3. Have you considered changing industries completely?
4. What are you looking for in another job/industry, that you currently don't have at your current job?

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5. What industry are you in?
1. 4
2. Yes, leadership/ lack of. Expected to do the job of nonexistent bosses without compensation. Policies that make no sense and just divide the workplace more than it already is. Clueless unqualified people promoted to management. Always having to answer questions and solve problems for people who make 2x-3x as much as me and should be the ones answering questions.
3. Yes
4. Compensation for work done, not treated as disposable, “lucky you have a job”
5. Logistics
 
Paying teachers more money doesn't improve ANYTHING. This has been well proven. All one has to do is look at current teaching salaries. We're spending more money to educate our kids than ever before, and most are coming out of the 12th grade dumb as a box of rocks.

Look at Chicago if you need proof. They set the bar so low you have to dig to find it. The Teachers Union there is all but bankrupting that city, with completely unsustainable pensions and salaries. And has been for years.

Property taxes in and around the Chicago area are among the highest in the nation. And it's one of the main reasons housing prices are going down, while most everywhere else they're skyrocketing. People simply can't afford to live there, let alone retire there. Which is why they're leaving in droves. Again, the Chicago Teachers Union is greatly to blame for all of this insane expense in and around Cook County, Illinois.

I really get sick and tired of listening to how underpaid teachers are. They're striking somewhere every 5 minutes for more money. Yet ALL of them knew the pay rate when they decided to take that profession in life. Same as we all did in our jobs. Yet as soon as they get the job, they all start whining for more money.

They have 3 months off every year. Not to mention every holiday know to man, with the possible exception of Mr. Clean's birthday. And still they complain more about pay than anyone I've ever seen or known.

These same teachers have allowed, (and in many cases pushed for), the curriculum to focus less on math and science, along with technical skills, and more on social justice issues. None of which are going to help these kids one bit when they get out in the real world. The colleges are even worse in regards to this.

Mike Rowe said it the best. "We're loaning money we don't have, to kids who can't pay it back, to train them for jobs that no longer exist". Notice how you never see a "protest" at a trade school? Perhaps there is a very good reason for that. It can't help but make you wonder what these "teachers" are pumping into these kids heads today?

Today home schooling is seeing a large rise in families across the nation. I can certainly understand the reasons why. And paying teachers more money isn't going to solve any of them.

I don't agree with all of your points but I don't disagree with all of them either. Again, if you disconnect the teacher's pay vs the tax you collect (which a lot of them went to admins, executives, building, etc) teachers are never on the upper-middle-class salary range across the world. Union tradesmen go on protest all the time at job sites.

Don't mix K12 with college student loans. Everyone can afford to go to K12 without a debt, regardless of the quality. A student loan from an expensive private school is the problem but it is not the reason our K12 program in the lower-income school districts (like Chicago) sucks. The problem is the parenting (and you know bad parents homeschooling their kids is not going to help).
 
Paying teachers more money doesn't improve ANYTHING. This has been well proven. All one has to do is look at current teaching salaries. We're spending more money to educate our kids than ever before, and most are coming out of the 12th grade dumb as a box of rocks.
I grew up in a squarely blue color town in NYS and the average teacher salary there is $112K per year. Two teachers married and working 180 days per year making $224K per year? Not too shabby. The average teacher salary in the town I live in now in MA is $74K per year and I'd say, excluding property taxes which are insane in NYS, it's more expensive here for everything else. They are both good but not top tier school districts. I'd say the extra $38K in NYS certainly doesn't buy superior teachers or a superior educational experience.
 
I grew up in a squarely blue color town in NYS and the average teacher salary there is $112K per year. Two teachers married and working 180 days per year making $224K per year? Not too shabby. The average teacher salary in the town I live in now in MA is $74K per year and I'd say, excluding property taxes which are insane in NYS, it's more expensive here for everything else. They are both good but not top tier school districts. I'd say the extra $38K in NYS certainly doesn't buy superior teachers or a superior educational experience.

What city in NYS ?
 
When I was in high school my Dad made me take a mechanical drawing class, because I thought I wanted to be an architect.

Then I got hooked on cars and all things mechanical. The teacher of that class though told us something the first day of class that really stuck with me. He said, for anyone who works in the economy, your employer pays you for something. That something could be labor, skill, or knowledge or some combination of these three. He said the mix and use of the second two are the necessary existence to almost always earn more than average money in any occupation. He also said that the more knowledge you have, can usually allow you to leverage the first two to your financial advantage.

That is something that I never forgot. After I started working, I learned about investments and money leverage from another mentor. He also taught me about FU money, and how to leverage your way to increased wealth and supplemental income.

Having that investment knowledge and FU money in the bank, allowed me to leave bad employers, managers, and explore new employment prospects elsewhere.

If there is anything that I can say to younger people today is that they should use any and all financial leverage you have at your disposal to find "your happy employment space" or to move on into another career or state, or a pursuit that will lead to your "happy place", as we all know the definition of insanity....correct?

What is the ETRADE slogan, "Don't get mad, get ETrade"! If you don't like your current job, pay close attention to your personal finances and see what you can change that might help you improve your life's situation.
 
My concern would be in the bathroom department. You can live in small rooms. But I only had one bathroom. That can become a problem with 4 or more people under the same roof, at the same time...... :poop: If you know what I mean.

Dealt with it for years (My Wife & 3 Daughters) all sharing one bathroom, Thank god I'm regular & can take a leak outside! I got up before all the Ladies of the house to do the Three S's.
 
Dealt with it for years (My Wife & 3 Daughters) all sharing one bathroom, Thank god I'm regular & can take a leak outside! I got up before all the Ladies of the house to do the Three S's.
I admittedly didn't read the entire thread, nor am I replying to any one comment other than this one, however I can't help but relate. There's been many a morning there one of the ladies in my house have claimed the bathroom just as nature called. Lucky me, my second story bedroom window doubles as a restroom. The way I see it, the ground below benefits from the nutrients and my dog by nature knows where to stay away from.
 
This.

I was fortunate to be able to graduate college with zero debt. I did it by taking 5 years to complete it while working full-time, doing side jobs, and commuting to school. My parents were able to pay for college and rent an apartment all while working a part-time job. Many college grads now have huge amounts of student debt that will take them years to pay off. One of my previous employers was hiring an entry level HR position about 2 years back. The starting pay was $33,000 a year, and required a bachelor's degree in that field. I'm not sure how a new graduate would be able to do anything besides live in their parents' basement while paying their school debt making $33,000 per year. They certainly wouldn't qualify to rent anything. The hilarious part to me was the HR manager and Director interviewing candidates for those positions who set the qualifications didn't even meet them. The manager started as a secretary years ago (no degree) and the director had an associate's and worked her way up.

I'm sure pulling themselves up by their boot straps would solve their problems with low wages.

With college costs rising to the point of ridiculousness, I'm really surprised trade schools aren't more popular today. Especially now that you have so many college graduates loaded with debt, working as waiters or other jobs, completely out of their just learned profession.

All because they can't seem to find jobs they've been educated for. I've seen A LOT of this. In fact, I just heard from a old high school friend who had a son that committed suicide over it. He was saddled with tens of thousands of student loans he couldn't pay for, and could not find a job. He could no longer make ends meet, became very self destructive, and O.D.'d on drugs.

In my town, all of the skilled tradesmen are working as much overtime as they want. Carpenters, plumbers, roofers, electricians all seem to be driving $75K trucks, and ALL of them seem to be in good spirits. Last year I had to wait 3 months to get my house painted, because their backlog was so long. When they all showed up my house looked like a Ford dealership, there were so many new F-350 Diesel Dually's parked in front of it.
 
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Worker bee chiming in here...

I'm seeing a lot of low morale in my workplace, and from what I gather it seems to be pretty typical across other industries as well. I'm really curious what others are experiencing. We have a lot of good people heading for the door at my work. I'm struggling myself with lack of motivation due to increased workloads, no incentives (i.e. no bonuses/raises) and a generally ever increasing chaotic work environment.

Questions:
1. On a scale of 1-10 (1 low, 10 high), how is the current morale in your workplace?
2. Have you yourself considered leaving your current job, and why?
3. Have you considered changing industries completely?
4. What are you looking for in another job/industry, that you currently don't have at your current job?

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5. What industry are you in?
1) It's really hard to gauge, honestly, as some people are at a 1, and some people are at a 7-8. My morale, personally, is tied directly to money vs. time. My pay has been adjusted, lately, and I would put myself at about an 8. I was at a 2 or so.
2) Of course! But I know I won't find the pay and schedule anywhere else (other fields), and my organization compared to others in this field, is favorable to me.
3) Yes, but see #2.
4) Somewhere without blood, ****, and violence?

5) Healthcare.
 
With college costs rising to the point of ridiculousness, I'm really surprised trade schools aren't more popular today. Especially now that you have so many college graduates loaded with debt, working as waiters or other jobs, completely out of their just learned profession.

All because they can't seem to find jobs they've been educated for. I've seen A LOT of this. In fact, I just heard from a old high school friend who had a son that committed suicide over it. He was saddled with tens of thousands of student loans he couldn't pay for, and could not find a job. He could no longer make ends meet, became very self destructive, and O.D.'d on drugs.

In my town, all of the skilled tradesmen are working as much overtime as they want. Carpenters, plumbers, roofers, electricians all seem to be driving $75K trucks, and ALL of them seem to be in good spirits. Last year I had to wait 3 months to get my house painted, because their backlog was so long. When they all showed up my house looked like a Ford dealership, there were so many new F-350 Diesel Dually's parked in front of it.
Colleges don't want people doing trades, it's bad for their business, simple as that.

When I graduated high school in 2008, my counselors told us all about the options we had. We could start our own business, do a trade school, 2 or 4 year degree, etc. When my younger sister graduated high school in 2016, she was told she won't be successful in life unless she gets at least a 4-year degree at a well known college. I told the counselor she should be fired for giving out incorrect advice.

Meanwhile my father does IT for the state technical HS system, and they have local employers who are telling the schools they will give a job to every student that graduates.
 
For sure it wasn't one of the remote towns in upper central New York State, likely very near the NYC metro area.
Yup, there is a reason they make that much, and it's not just because housing costs are insane there. I have a teacher friend who was stabbed by a special ed high school student in one of those schools.
 
Colleges don't want people doing trades, it's bad for their business, simple as that.

When I graduated high school in 2008, my counselors told us all about the options we had. We could start our own business, do a trade school, 2 or 4 year degree, etc. When my younger sister graduated high school in 2016, she was told she won't be successful in life unless she gets at least a 4-year degree at a well known college. I told the counselor she should be fired for giving out incorrect advice.

Meanwhile my father does IT for the state technical HS system, and they have local employers who are telling the schools they will give a job to every student that graduates.

I know field service engineers repairing medical equipment and all easily break $110K a year. I have a good friend over $130K.

Not a glamorous job but it’s a technical type job requiring a 2 year associates degree in electronics or military experience + OEM training. Lots of military folks have 5 job offers before they get discharged.
 
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