I'm a big fan of Pennzoil conventional due to it's high moly content, but I see that Titanium is a major part of the "new age" add packs now. Is there any evidence as to which is a better anti wear additive?
Moly or Titanium?
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Oh good god, what have you done......
I for-see a lot of pages full of arguing in the future...
I for-see a lot of pages full of arguing in the future...
Oh [censored] really?
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Yes, Titanium. It sounds new, space age, so it must be better. Fortifies all of the titanium parts in your engine. Its called marketing. But really, its just oil. Don't comb the depths of the great unknown looking for something that doesn't exist.
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I run Castrol Edge Titanium in my imaginary Acura NSX. Why? Because Titanium connecting rods of course! Now i can run more imaginary nitrous cause the titanium oil is making my titanium connecting rods stronger!
I always find it entertaining to read page after page of people driving a Focus/Civic/Sienna/Caravan and wondering if they are using the best oil for their car. There are literally 100 different oils out there that if changed regularly could easily allow the car to go 350K if not much more. If you want to pay for Titanium/gold/diamonds in your oil then go for it.
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Originally Posted By: Barkleymut
If you want to pay for Titanium/gold/diamonds in your oil then go for it.
But, of course, to suggest (IF that is what is being done with this statement) that titanium costs more than moly is not quite correct is it? Mobil Super has its additive pack based upon Titanium and Sodium and is one of the cheapest conventional oils on the market. It is also one of the best conventionals out there and can go toe-to toe with any moly based conventional oil--even the mighty Pennzoil conventional.
To the OP, time will tell, but I opine that either additive pack, when a proper maintenance schedule is followed, will allow the engine to far outlast the chassis in which it is installed. Two things are certain -- **most** people do not keep the vehicles long enough to matter and **most** people do not use the oil long enough to exhaust the additive pack anyway, so for the most part...the choice of additive pack is IRRELEVANT.
If you want to pay for Titanium/gold/diamonds in your oil then go for it.
But, of course, to suggest (IF that is what is being done with this statement) that titanium costs more than moly is not quite correct is it? Mobil Super has its additive pack based upon Titanium and Sodium and is one of the cheapest conventional oils on the market. It is also one of the best conventionals out there and can go toe-to toe with any moly based conventional oil--even the mighty Pennzoil conventional.
To the OP, time will tell, but I opine that either additive pack, when a proper maintenance schedule is followed, will allow the engine to far outlast the chassis in which it is installed. Two things are certain -- **most** people do not keep the vehicles long enough to matter and **most** people do not use the oil long enough to exhaust the additive pack anyway, so for the most part...the choice of additive pack is IRRELEVANT.
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Just use Kendall GT-1. It has titanium, moly, and boron. And it's competitively priced, if you can find it.
Originally Posted By: Stelth
Just use Kendall GT-1. It has titanium, moly, and boron.
How do they find the space?
Just use Kendall GT-1. It has titanium, moly, and boron.
How do they find the space?
Originally Posted By: LotI
Originally Posted By: Stelth
Just use Kendall GT-1. It has titanium, moly, and boron.
How do they find the space?
There's less oil in the bottle to make room for all those additives.
Originally Posted By: Stelth
Just use Kendall GT-1. It has titanium, moly, and boron.
How do they find the space?
There's less oil in the bottle to make room for all those additives.
Originally Posted By: MileHigh18
I'm a big fan of Pennzoil conventional due to it's high moly content, but I see that Titanium is a major part of the "new age" add packs now. Is there any evidence as to which is a better anti wear additive?
Boron! (Just to provoke more discussion)
Honestly, though - these additives perform basically the same function as friction-reducing agents. There are polymer-ester FMs that work excellent, too, and won't show up in your VOA. Tungsten-fullerene nanoparticles are being pushed around on formulators now for the same thing. Just don't read too much into the marketing, choose a brand/oil that you trust
I'm a big fan of Pennzoil conventional due to it's high moly content, but I see that Titanium is a major part of the "new age" add packs now. Is there any evidence as to which is a better anti wear additive?
Boron! (Just to provoke more discussion)
Honestly, though - these additives perform basically the same function as friction-reducing agents. There are polymer-ester FMs that work excellent, too, and won't show up in your VOA. Tungsten-fullerene nanoparticles are being pushed around on formulators now for the same thing. Just don't read too much into the marketing, choose a brand/oil that you trust
Titanium as I understand it offers boundary wear protection on ferrous metals. The same way that soluble moly requires a certain amount of heat to react into MoS2, so too the titanium by some mechanism (not fully understood) reacts with iron to form a molecular layer of iron titanate.
Google 'titanium anti-wear oil iron titanate' and you'll probably get an article about it.
Google 'titanium anti-wear oil iron titanate' and you'll probably get an article about it.
Originally Posted By: jrustles
Titanium as I understand it offers boundary wear protection on ferrous metals. The same way that soluble moly requires a certain amount of heat to react into MoS2, so too the titanium by some mechanism (not fully understood) reacts with iron to form a molecular layer of iron titanate.
Google 'titanium anti-wear oil iron titanate' and you'll probably get an article about it.
Are you saying the soluble moly found in most oils turns into mos2 by some reaction or process in an engine?
I've never heard that before. Any links that I can read? I'm interested on how that happens.
Titanium as I understand it offers boundary wear protection on ferrous metals. The same way that soluble moly requires a certain amount of heat to react into MoS2, so too the titanium by some mechanism (not fully understood) reacts with iron to form a molecular layer of iron titanate.
Google 'titanium anti-wear oil iron titanate' and you'll probably get an article about it.
Are you saying the soluble moly found in most oils turns into mos2 by some reaction or process in an engine?
I've never heard that before. Any links that I can read? I'm interested on how that happens.
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