Moly & Non-Moly grease spec for Toyota 4Runner

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
Originally Posted By: IH8mush
Originally Posted By: Rix
Originally Posted By: IH8mush
The split personality comes from Toyota Sales,

Toyota manufacturing different story,



Uh..... no.


It is the case Rixatus,

You cant see it because your in the middle of it,

Quite a few of your fellow Toyota techs think "Moly" is its own base of grease,

What I refer to as the "Moly Greasers"

The advise and suggestions which all the Toyota FSM is,

Is all over the place, inconsistant , inaccurate, incompatible,

Split personality is a nice way of saying it,,, plenty of folks here in the light of Bob know it, see it, and soon you will as well,

No, there is no great grey grease conspiracy.
"other toyota techs" don't answer to me, nor I to them.
No, moly grease isn't technically a correct term, but that's exactly what the tube says on it. Perfectly understandable why someone would say it.

There is no compatibility issue if the repair manuals are followed.

Your ravings are getting tiring.
You've never even touched an 07 4runner, you really have nothing to even be talking about.
Please stop. Noone is looking for your conspiracy theories, and they are false anyway.


No conspiracy just a incorrect incompatible advise from a Toyota salesman,

If you wish to call it a conspiracy, go ahead,

For me its just a sales company that does not know the first thing about grease

 

[IH8mush]

I don't know why Toyota has their split personality for grease except maybe a way to save a penny or two in assembly.

Ken2,

Thats close but its a way for the Toyota Sales to make a whole bunch of money selling parts, labor, just by specifying a incompatible grease,

 

[Rix]

And I'll say again, there is no incompatible grease in the repair manuals.
Not on the old solid axle stuff, and not on the 2007 4runner that this thread is about.
Leave your conspiracy theories in YOUR threads, please.
It has NO place in this thread.

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
And I'll say again, there is no incompatible grease in the repair manuals.
Not on the old solid axle stuff, and not on the 2007 4runner that this thread is about.
Leave your conspiracy theories in YOUR threads, please.
It has NO place in this thread.


What ?????


No place in this thread ???

The dude is pondering Moly or no Moly and I am telling him it dont matter

Moly no molybedamned is a smoke screen, dont amount to a hill of beans about Moly

Dana Dudes say nothing about moly, and they build drivelines for yota piles,

It belongs in this thread for sure a "Toyota owner wondering about the advise or suggestion of the toyota sales dept,

While you see "Moly" as a end all fix its because you have been "Indoctrinated" to learn without question,

The OP is questioning Toyota sales grease suggestion as he should,,,

IH8mush

 

[Rix]

Sales?
I see nothing about Toyota sales?

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
Sales?
I see nothing about Toyota sales?



Rix, Thats who teaches you about grease, and writes the bogus manuals,

With the Molybedamned Disulshite,,,

Again Read Moab Jeeper Magazine article I wrote Called Short Fiber grease,

The disputing information posted by a Master Toyota tech

On the cover of the book it says Toyota motor sales,

Toyota Motor sales is a separate subsidary of Toyota Motor company,

And they write the books and educate you,

You have been misinformed, Indoctrinated,

It cant be any clearer, Folks like the Original poster are baffled with the grease recommendations, by these sales dudes,

Post ? and wonder,

I am telling them it dont matter, Moly no Moly, while "Moly" is a wonderfull additive thats it

The "Moly no Moly is and the British English spelling of it in the Book tends to even baffle further,,,

No Rixxer these are the facts of the matter as I have uncovered

You are now in the "Light" and will not be able to insult, provide some information that explains Toyota sales Split personality,

Moly no Moly, whatever try the "Poly"

 

[Rix]

*sigh*



To the OP:

After working on Toyotas for 15 years.... I'll say it again: you're fine using the synpower or the redline cv grease in all parts of the driveline, u-joints and slip joint/splines.

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
*sigh*



To the OP:

After working on Toyotas for 15 years.... I'll say it again: you're fine using the synpower or the redline cv grease in all parts of the driveline, u-joints and slip joint/splines.



So you recognize the Moly no moly deal does not apply,

Good this is progress,,

Now Why does Toyota sales confuse its readers in these books,

So You Rix as a Toyota Tech override the Sales recomendation about moly and no moly and say use Redline or synpower in everything

Good,

So there you have it Original poster, directly from a 15 year Toyota tech and myself,

Put down the sales book and dont worry about moly no moly, use a good quality grease often in the drivelines and they will be fine,

Re: Moly & Non-Moly grease spec for Toyota 4Runner ??

This is a distraction and does not apply, ignore it,,,

Lots of other Toyota sales grease information is ignored as well even by the techs, for instance grade,

And other grade recomendations are strictly adhered to,,,

So just depends, but there you have it, ignore the Toyota FSM,,,

 

[Rix]

Originally Posted By: IH8mush
Originally Posted By: Rix
*sigh*



To the OP:

After working on Toyotas for 15 years.... I'll say it again: you're fine using the synpower or the redline cv grease in all parts of the driveline, u-joints and slip joint/splines.



So you recognize the Moly no moly deal does not apply,

Good this is progress,,

Now Why does Toyota sales confuse its readers in these books,

So You Rix as a Toyota Tech override the Sales recomendation about moly and no moly and say use Redline or synpower in everything

Good,

So there you have it Original poster, directly from a 15 year Toyota tech and myself,

Put down the sales book and dont worry about moly no moly, use a good quality grease often in the drivelines and they will be fine,

Re: Moly & Non-Moly grease spec for Toyota 4Runner ??

This is a distraction and does not apply, ignore it,,,

Lots of other Toyota sales grease information is ignored as well even by the techs, for instance grade,

And other grade recomendations are strictly adhered to,,,

So just depends, but there you have it, ignore the Toyota FSM,,,

I was NOT talking to you frank.
But since you brought it up... if #2 lithium with moly is specified, and you use something even better, great.
Using Lithium with moly in u-joints has been working just fine for a lot of years now.
NOT greaseing u-joints is a matter of when, not if, they are going to fail.
Toyota's u-joints are really quite robust, and last a long time even with neglect.
Even a modicum of maintanance they seem to last nearly forever.

There is no brand recommended, only a base specification.

 

[Rix]

Oh... I'd still prefer something with moly addative for the slip joint, BTW.
As I've said before, we use el-cheapo sta-lube/crc #2 lithium with moly, and it works great.

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
Originally Posted By: IH8mush
Originally Posted By: Rix
*sigh*



To the OP:

After working on Toyotas for 15 years.... I'll say it again: you're fine using the synpower or the redline cv grease in all parts of the driveline, u-joints and slip joint/splines.



So you recognize the Moly no moly deal does not apply,

Good this is progress,,

Now Why does Toyota sales confuse its readers in these books,

So You Rix as a Toyota Tech override the Sales recomendation about moly and no moly and say use Redline or synpower in everything

Good,

So there you have it Original poster, directly from a 15 year Toyota tech and myself,

Put down the sales book and dont worry about moly no moly, use a good quality grease often in the drivelines and they will be fine,

Re: Moly & Non-Moly grease spec for Toyota 4Runner ??

This is a distraction and does not apply, ignore it,,,

Lots of other Toyota sales grease information is ignored as well even by the techs, for instance grade,

And other grade recomendations are strictly adhered to,,,

So just depends, but there you have it, ignore the Toyota FSM,,,

I was NOT talking to you frank.
But since you brought it up... if #2 lithium with moly is specified, and you use something even better, great.
Using Lithium with moly in u-joints has been working just fine for a lot of years now.
NOT greaseing u-joints is a matter of when, not if, they are going to fail.
Toyota's u-joints are really quite robust, and last a long time even with neglect.
Even a modicum of maintanance they seem to last nearly forever.


There is no brand recommended, only a base specification.

And this base specification is sometimes incompatible,, with what is used @ the factory,,,

So without knowing what it is on some applications and areas on Toyota rigs it is better to nothing, then to add a incompatible grease,

You have already stated that the "Moly" can be used in both applications, or no moly really,,
Dont matter,,

So we agree, the ? the original poster is asking about

Re: Moly & Non-Moly grease spec for Toyota 4Runner

Dont matter,

 

[Rix]

Originally Posted By: IH8mush
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And this base specification is sometimes incompatible,, with what is used @ the factory,,,



NO IT IS NOT. NO IT IS NOT. NO IT IS NOT. NO IT IS NOT.

Lithium is perfectly compatible with lithium, frank.
AND an '07 4runner doesn't have the sodium based stuff you're trying to sell, EITHER.

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
Originally Posted By: IH8mush
[
And this base specification is sometimes incompatible,, with what is used @ the factory,,,



NO IT IS NOT. NO IT IS NOT. NO IT IS NOT. NO IT IS NOT.

Lithium is perfectly compatible with lithium, frank.
AND an '07 4runner doesn't have the sodium based stuff you're trying to sell, EITHER.


Why do you always get on my case about having some goop available on line @ Novak adapt that is used in the closed steering axle ???? by Toyota,,,?? and other manufactures,,

Is it because you think its axle seal failure??

I am just sharing it in a sense, the only way I could get it was in bulk,,

No way I would ever use that much grease,,,

And it is incompatible with lithium,,, so if they did it there, could very well do it with these 4 runners, and thats why so many driveline clunk complaints,, maybee ??

Thing is as you state no need to heed the advise and suggestions about Moly and Non Moly grease in the book,,,

So quit haranging me about the goop I got, But it does have moly and can be used in a u joint,,,

 

[Rix]

They DID NOT use the stuff you're trying to sell in solid axle trucks OR $runner, OR landcruisers, and they DID NOT use it in the drivelines of newer toyotas either.
THAT'S why.
You're trying to spread fallacies as facts and it's aggravating.
And there is NOTHING ANYWHERE in this topic about axle seal failure.

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
They DID NOT use the stuff you're trying to sell in solid axle trucks OR $runner, OR landcruisers, and they DID NOT use it in the drivelines of newer toyotas either.
THAT'S why.
You're trying to spread fallacies as facts and it's aggravating.
And there is NOTHING ANYWHERE in this topic about axle seal failure.


"You're trying to spread fallacies as facts and it's aggravating."

No Rix I am trying to inform you about grease, they are facts,

Ones you cannot see, because you have been mis informed,

Indoctrinated by Toyota Sales, Yes it is aggravating to you because its such a simple,basic aspect of the Trade,

Yet your horribly sadly confused, but this recent advise of moly non moly,

Great, progress

 

[Rix]

No, I'M not confused.
I'm done with you, frank.

To the O.P.:

I'm very sorry for this.
Please feel free to send me a P.M. if you have any questions.

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
No, I'M not confused.
I'm done with you, frank.

To the O.P.:

I'm very sorry for this.
Please feel free to send me a P.M. if you have any questions.


No, I'M not confused.

Your beginning to come around Rix, disregarding the Moly no moly sales advise and saying just fine going with one type of grease is groundbreaking,

I am encouraged by your progress, You have answered his question , Told him the Toyota recommendation is well, not at all critical, Moly no moly dont matter,

Very good, This is one of the steps of deprogramming that they mentioned, Its been a long process Rix, but this is a real good sign, Your book that you hold as gospel truth for grease you have disregarded it,

You disregard the #0 Steering link and drag link recommendation,

Or the #1 and use the #2,,,

No You have clearly told the OP to disregard the FSM and run 1 type of grease,

Stepping out of the Cult, of the Brainwashed Toyota tech,,

Speaking out against it, seeing yourself as no longer a part of the mis information,

For those who dont know I have been deprogramming Rixxer for months now, typically in the dark corners of the web where I found this sad case he is very insulting, curses, swears, and is generally a very poor sport, but here on "Bob" where I have drug him out to he behaves himself in a nicer manner,,,

I know these insults that are directed at me are really meant for those who indocrinated him so I sluff them off,

Now I have contacted the teacher at the school he went to and asked him to comment on this situation, so far nothing, but we will see,,,

So Rixxer do not feel sorry, it is not your fault, and its okay your doing great,

Backing me up on the "Moly" no "Moly" deal dont Matter,,,,

 

[Rix]

Both the greases the O.P. are talking about HAVE moly in them.
This is u-joints and slip joint splines. Both greases will work fine.

Your ramblings have no place here, frank.

 

[IH8mush]

NLGI 2 in the spider joints.

Carl,

I just test drove a 88 Toyota P/U and on the visor a chart and information about Spider joints,

I was unaware that Toyota Sales called u joints "Spider Joints"

But there it was,

Wow, But then again they call a constant velocity joint a "Birfield"

I have never heard of a spider joint, weird nomenclature for sure, may be terms used in other parts of the world,

Rix, did you know this,??

Spider Joint,

 

[IH8mush]

Originally Posted By: Rix
Both the greases the O.P. are talking about HAVE moly in them.
This is u-joints and slip joint splines. Both greases will work fine.

Your ramblings have no place here, frank.



Agreed Rixxer,

Now this is not what the Book states to use,,

You as a Toyota Tech have stated that the Moly & Non-Moly grease spec for Toyota 4Runner

Does not matter,

And I am pointing out that this is what the Carl is asking,

You have deviated from the Toyota FSM,

And rightly so, in the terms I learned about deprogramming brainwashed folks, this is Individual Identification

You have stepped away from Toyota sales cult and Identified with your "Individual" common sense,

And in non conformance with Toyota Sales FSM,,,

These are things to look for as a deprogrammer signs of Individual Thinking,

Now at least you will no longer propagate the mis information about Moly, no Moly,

The "Distraction" the smoke and mirrors,

You can see that OP Carl was concerned that there may be something to follow here,

But now you have stated it dont matter, Very Good,