Will Mobil 1 extended performance void the
warranty on my 2004 Toyota Tacoma? I am using
the weigh 5w30.
warranty on my 2004 Toyota Tacoma? I am using
the weigh 5w30.
Mobile 1 EP and warranty
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It shouldn't as long as you don't exceed the factory recommend oil-change interval.
Technically maybe, since I don't believe any EP grades carry the dreaded "starburst." However, does anyone really think that any service manager knows or cares about this given the reputation of M1? If you had a problem and they ask, just say you used 5w30 M1. I highly doubt that the next question will be "well, was this the SM/GF-4 version or the SL EP version?" Do you think that the average mechanic has any idea there is more than one type of M1 now? I don't even know if the receipts would show the difference between the "regular" and the EP unless one really looked into the SKUs, etc. So I would say go for the EP.
I wouldn't run any oil in my car for 15,000 miles no matter what Mobile or amsoil claims...
Always follow the owners manual and play it safe..They seem a little less optimistic about OCI's. You don't want to get in the middle of some legal hassle between the manufacturer and the oil company in the event that something did go wrong...It's much easier for big companies to dispute claims as they have 24/7 lawyers on their side.
Under optimal conditions (this is very rare for most daily drivers) most owners manuals suggest OCI's at 7,500 miles.
Always follow the owners manual and play it safe..They seem a little less optimistic about OCI's. You don't want to get in the middle of some legal hassle between the manufacturer and the oil company in the event that something did go wrong...It's much easier for big companies to dispute claims as they have 24/7 lawyers on their side.
Under optimal conditions (this is very rare for most daily drivers) most owners manuals suggest OCI's at 7,500 miles.
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and think of the last lubrication failure you have had or someone you know has had performing reasonable maintenance on a vehicle under warranty.
I may have a differnt mind set since I am into changing my vehcil's suspensions,, cutting things off and welding to the frame well before the warranty is expired but you need to understand the risk and benefits of everything you do to the vehicle. The benefit of running the EP is extended drains. If meets the Toyota Specs per se as the engine was designed under sh specs My 2002 oil cap says to use a mininmum of SJ . Mobil 1 Extended Performance is SL. There is some double talk in the owners manual concerning the ISLAC starburst. I came out of that book feeling it is recomended but regular SJ can be ran if no other oil is "available" when you chage it Well if you only have SL non starburst oil in your inventory and you need to change the oil who can argue that you are doing wrong?
Now let us speak of intervals. My year was a 6 month 7500 standard and I believe you are under the 6 month 5k sludge backlash rule.
I am now into the 7th month of a year long OCI on my under warranty engine. I have records and will have anaqlysis done on anything over the factory recomended OCI. Under magnuson moss they have to prove any failure is due to owner modifications or practices. The burden of proof is that of the automaker but you should be more vigilant than to let it come to that.
Most 3.4 failures I have heard of are related to burned pistons and valves due to a Toyota authorized aftermarket modification. THe second cause of death is ingestion of water.
Be informed about whatever you decide to do but if you are going to stick with the warranty recomended intervals then go with the regular M1 or something else that is less expensive.
I may have a differnt mind set since I am into changing my vehcil's suspensions,, cutting things off and welding to the frame well before the warranty is expired but you need to understand the risk and benefits of everything you do to the vehicle. The benefit of running the EP is extended drains. If meets the Toyota Specs per se as the engine was designed under sh specs My 2002 oil cap says to use a mininmum of SJ . Mobil 1 Extended Performance is SL. There is some double talk in the owners manual concerning the ISLAC starburst. I came out of that book feeling it is recomended but regular SJ can be ran if no other oil is "available" when you chage it Well if you only have SL non starburst oil in your inventory and you need to change the oil who can argue that you are doing wrong?
Now let us speak of intervals. My year was a 6 month 7500 standard and I believe you are under the 6 month 5k sludge backlash rule.
I am now into the 7th month of a year long OCI on my under warranty engine. I have records and will have anaqlysis done on anything over the factory recomended OCI. Under magnuson moss they have to prove any failure is due to owner modifications or practices. The burden of proof is that of the automaker but you should be more vigilant than to let it come to that.
Most 3.4 failures I have heard of are related to burned pistons and valves due to a Toyota authorized aftermarket modification. THe second cause of death is ingestion of water.
Be informed about whatever you decide to do but if you are going to stick with the warranty recomended intervals then go with the regular M1 or something else that is less expensive.
I have been curious about the starburst. Is it just a recomendation or an absolute? I will have to pull out my manual and see what it says. For Hyundai, probably not, it still allows SH oil.
I do not want to turn this in an Amsoil topic or Amsoil vs Mobil EP here.
Now that being stated, I have been doing 12K drains in my Lexus Es300 (98) that has the world-famous sludge engine. So far, oil tests are fine (pretty good really). Almost done with another 12K drain; few K more to go. All the letters I received from Lexus (AKA Toyota) do not even state intervals on them. I could do only one per year and be 100% fine.
I would think any new Toyota engine can’t be that bad or worse then these sludge years (96 to 2002) with 3.0-liter IMZ V-6 engines.
I compared another tests with another 98 that has the same engine but running dino and well, the synthetic came out better at over 2X more miles.
Now that being stated, I have been doing 12K drains in my Lexus Es300 (98) that has the world-famous sludge engine. So far, oil tests are fine (pretty good really). Almost done with another 12K drain; few K more to go. All the letters I received from Lexus (AKA Toyota) do not even state intervals on them. I could do only one per year and be 100% fine.
I would think any new Toyota engine can’t be that bad or worse then these sludge years (96 to 2002) with 3.0-liter IMZ V-6 engines.
I compared another tests with another 98 that has the same engine but running dino and well, the synthetic came out better at over 2X more miles.
I have read the relevant sections of my manual for my 2005 GM/Toyota Vibe several times and although it permits the use of a 0W-30, it is quite unequivocal that the oil must have the 'starburst' and be labelled with GM6094M. I know I have mentioned this before but it is odd that oils such as GC and Esso XD which have protection power far superior to almost any oil on the planet (now that's hyperbole) arent permitted by many NAmerican and some foreign car makers.
I feel this topic is the heart of my concerns and many out there with new vehicles desiring longer OCI from a synthetic.
I've ran GTX 5w30 in my 04 Maxima from 1000 miles with the reccomended OCI of 3750 w/ oem filter. Coming up on my last change before 20k mark when I plan to switch to Syn. I'm currently on the fence about either M1 or Amsoil. (I'll decide that in other threads, but this may help my decision.)
Drove 15k the first year, but plan to cut back those miles by driving my old buick (which I got back recently) during my 5 min. commutes. Since the Max will take on less short trips, I feel just fine extending my OCI to 7500, especially with a SYN.
I know syn will last much longer, but like others I have warranty concerns. I know it's over-cautious since I bought the car hoping to join the high mileage club and Syn can handle it.... but don't want the headache if something arises.
Since I have a stockpile of oem filters, should I just run the 7500 interval for the filters and Syn? (since the manual states 7500 as acceptable, i assume that goes for the filter too?) or go 10-12k/1 year intervals with filter half way and not worry about the warranty?
With warranty in mind, how do I prove I'm doing acceptable intervals anyway? Should I save all my filter boxes and empty oil jugs? I record my changes, but only kept my large filter order receipt.
I've ran GTX 5w30 in my 04 Maxima from 1000 miles with the reccomended OCI of 3750 w/ oem filter. Coming up on my last change before 20k mark when I plan to switch to Syn. I'm currently on the fence about either M1 or Amsoil. (I'll decide that in other threads, but this may help my decision.)
Drove 15k the first year, but plan to cut back those miles by driving my old buick (which I got back recently) during my 5 min. commutes. Since the Max will take on less short trips, I feel just fine extending my OCI to 7500, especially with a SYN.
I know syn will last much longer, but like others I have warranty concerns. I know it's over-cautious since I bought the car hoping to join the high mileage club and Syn can handle it.... but don't want the headache if something arises.
Since I have a stockpile of oem filters, should I just run the 7500 interval for the filters and Syn? (since the manual states 7500 as acceptable, i assume that goes for the filter too?) or go 10-12k/1 year intervals with filter half way and not worry about the warranty?
With warranty in mind, how do I prove I'm doing acceptable intervals anyway? Should I save all my filter boxes and empty oil jugs? I record my changes, but only kept my large filter order receipt.
A written document noting the date and the mileage of the oil changes is sufficent. You can also save recipts. You don't have to plan a life around proving oil changes.. just document it.
Would the document need to include the viscosity of the oil used?
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