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Originally Posted By: GM4LIFE
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Look at the numbers for afe and EP and compare them. The differences are nominal until -40ish,so switching won't have any effect on consumption.
Switching brands may help. However some engines consume oil when brands are changed for a while so you may have to hurry up and wait before seeing any improvements.
How much consumtion is being referred to here. If it's under the accepted quart per 1000 miles it's a non issue.
Low tension rings mean that most engines at start up are allowing oil to get past the rings. Once everything achieves operating temp the rings are tighter in the bores so the consumption stops at that point.
Depending on how many cold starts the engine experiences daily this could become a substantial loss of oil,and might be considered bad but the reality of it is that everything is fine.
Deposits on the ring lands can cause consumtion. 4000rpm for 10 minutes on the highway,and a few full throttle blasts will go a long way towards sending them out the exhaust valves.
Ever since low tension rings became standard the oil consumtion threshold went up. But so did fuel economy as well as engine longevity.
It's been a very long time since I've seen bores that had the machining worn right off and the bores significantly tapered. But growing up I can remember seeing engines with 50k without the crosshatching anymore.
My uncle was a journeyman mechanic,heavy duty diesel and a farmer so the experience went very far maintaining equipment.
As a boy he explained that cylinder bores absolutely have to have those cross hatching marks in order to hold oil for the rings to glide on. Without them the lubricant will just fall to the bottom of the bore,lubricating nothing.
So as these marks wear off they actually accelerate the wear process because as the cross hatching wears away less oil can be held and less oil means more wear,til failure.
I've seen ford mod motors with 300k on the odo and cylinder bores still had cross hatching. That was unheard of 30 years ago.
So now that we've established that during warm up oil gets past the rings til the metals expand as they warm how much oil are you referring to. if it's under the oem threshold it's a non issue anyway.
Try a different grade. If you don't want to try that try a different brand.
A can of motor oil saver might do the trick too.
Lots of options
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Look at the numbers for afe and EP and compare them. The differences are nominal until -40ish,so switching won't have any effect on consumption.
Switching brands may help. However some engines consume oil when brands are changed for a while so you may have to hurry up and wait before seeing any improvements.
How much consumtion is being referred to here. If it's under the accepted quart per 1000 miles it's a non issue.
Low tension rings mean that most engines at start up are allowing oil to get past the rings. Once everything achieves operating temp the rings are tighter in the bores so the consumption stops at that point.
Depending on how many cold starts the engine experiences daily this could become a substantial loss of oil,and might be considered bad but the reality of it is that everything is fine.
Deposits on the ring lands can cause consumtion. 4000rpm for 10 minutes on the highway,and a few full throttle blasts will go a long way towards sending them out the exhaust valves.
Ever since low tension rings became standard the oil consumtion threshold went up. But so did fuel economy as well as engine longevity.
It's been a very long time since I've seen bores that had the machining worn right off and the bores significantly tapered. But growing up I can remember seeing engines with 50k without the crosshatching anymore.
My uncle was a journeyman mechanic,heavy duty diesel and a farmer so the experience went very far maintaining equipment.
As a boy he explained that cylinder bores absolutely have to have those cross hatching marks in order to hold oil for the rings to glide on. Without them the lubricant will just fall to the bottom of the bore,lubricating nothing.
So as these marks wear off they actually accelerate the wear process because as the cross hatching wears away less oil can be held and less oil means more wear,til failure.
I've seen ford mod motors with 300k on the odo and cylinder bores still had cross hatching. That was unheard of 30 years ago.
So now that we've established that during warm up oil gets past the rings til the metals expand as they warm how much oil are you referring to. if it's under the oem threshold it's a non issue anyway.
Try a different grade. If you don't want to try that try a different brand.
A can of motor oil saver might do the trick too.
Lots of options
Originally Posted By: GM4LIFE
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Your engine was never properly broken in. Your engine will have consumption until she is recycled.
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Your engine was never properly broken in. Your engine will have consumption until she is recycled.
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: GM4LIFE
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Your engine was never properly broken in. Your engine will have consumption until she is recycled.
Very possible...
Originally Posted By: GM4LIFE
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Your engine was never properly broken in. Your engine will have consumption until she is recycled.
Very possible...
Originally Posted By: Tabor
Originally Posted By: pbm
The Motorcraft 5w20 that is spec'd for my Focus has a NOACK of over 15 according to PQIA so I don't know.
Yes, I don't know what the NOACK for Mobil 1 5W-20 is, but according to pqiamerica.com Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 and 5w30 both have a NOACK of 10.1 which is way lower than the Motorcraft 5w30 at 14.3, but I don't know about the Motorcraft 5W-20. Does anyone have a link?
EDIT - I found it using google, too bad the PQIA site is so hard to use: Motorcraft 5W-20 is out of spec at 15.2.
I gather for SN certification purposes decimal values are truncated. So with a 15 % Noack Maximum, 15.2 is technically in-spec, as would be 15.9. Agree Motorcraft is nothing special in this respect, though.
Originally Posted By: pbm
The Motorcraft 5w20 that is spec'd for my Focus has a NOACK of over 15 according to PQIA so I don't know.
Yes, I don't know what the NOACK for Mobil 1 5W-20 is, but according to pqiamerica.com Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w20 and 5w30 both have a NOACK of 10.1 which is way lower than the Motorcraft 5w30 at 14.3, but I don't know about the Motorcraft 5W-20. Does anyone have a link?
EDIT - I found it using google, too bad the PQIA site is so hard to use: Motorcraft 5W-20 is out of spec at 15.2.
I gather for SN certification purposes decimal values are truncated. So with a 15 % Noack Maximum, 15.2 is technically in-spec, as would be 15.9. Agree Motorcraft is nothing special in this respect, though.
Went to the site to see what the recommended oil for my car would be. Car is a 2012 Audi A6 quattro.
1)Mobil 1 ESP 5w30(low saps I believe)
2)Mobil 1 0w40
Why would the ESP protect better?
1)Mobil 1 ESP 5w30(low saps I believe)
2)Mobil 1 0w40
Why would the ESP protect better?
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: GM4LIFE
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Your engine was never properly broken in. Your engine will have consumption until she is recycled.
Interesting
And quite possible.
I advocate high load with low rpm with a new engine. then I read motoman's write up and I was sold.
I had an old track hand tell me once as he was spitting tobacco something like "if you want a weak engine break it in weak.
Except insert other word for kitty cat for weak.
Originally Posted By: GM4LIFE
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
My engine consumes regular Mobil 1 5W30 at a decent pace, so I am wondering if going to Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 or 5W30 EP would decrease the consumption. I was going to go Ultra Platinum 5W30, but a few people on here have said that PUP will consume more oil than Mobil 1, so I may not run the PUP after all.
Your engine was never properly broken in. Your engine will have consumption until she is recycled.
Interesting
And quite possible.
I advocate high load with low rpm with a new engine. then I read motoman's write up and I was sold.
I had an old track hand tell me once as he was spitting tobacco something like "if you want a weak engine break it in weak.
Except insert other word for kitty cat for weak.
Originally Posted By: dfarr67
Can you supply a link to this break in post.
Just google "mototuneusa break in"
Can you supply a link to this break in post.
Just google "mototuneusa break in"
Originally Posted By: GM4LIFE
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
I would gather that Mobil 1 10w30 would be the one with the lowest Noack. However, I have never observed a relationship between real world consumption and Noack. The oil companies mention it all the time on their literature, but I wonder if that applies more to long OCIs in a "normal" vehicle that doesn't usually/always need to be topped up. When I've had a burner, it's simply been a burner.
Which Mobil 1 product has the lowest NOACK?
I would gather that Mobil 1 10w30 would be the one with the lowest Noack. However, I have never observed a relationship between real world consumption and Noack. The oil companies mention it all the time on their literature, but I wonder if that applies more to long OCIs in a "normal" vehicle that doesn't usually/always need to be topped up. When I've had a burner, it's simply been a burner.
Mobil application for a 2007 Honda Pilot returns:
Based on what you've told us, your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 5W-20 viscosity. A 0W-20 viscosity can also be used. We offer these motor oils to help protect your vehicle. Results are displayed from highest to lowest level of protection.
EP 5w-20 or 0w-20
HM 5w-20
Mobil 1 5w-20
No AFE at all. What gives? The majority of the comparisons and recommendations on here suggests that the AFE is the bottle to use. Is the AFE 0w-20 really the shining star in the Mobil lineup for applications that call for a 5w-20 or a 0w-20?
Based on what you've told us, your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 5W-20 viscosity. A 0W-20 viscosity can also be used. We offer these motor oils to help protect your vehicle. Results are displayed from highest to lowest level of protection.
EP 5w-20 or 0w-20
HM 5w-20
Mobil 1 5w-20
No AFE at all. What gives? The majority of the comparisons and recommendations on here suggests that the AFE is the bottle to use. Is the AFE 0w-20 really the shining star in the Mobil lineup for applications that call for a 5w-20 or a 0w-20?
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