Oil analysis for my 2019 Renegade Trailhawk with the 1.3T. Looks good to me, compared to last time where I had like 4% fuel dilution. Must have been winter short trips. When I changed this oil, I put Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 in.
Mobil AFE 0w30 4832 Miles - Jeep Renegade 1.3T
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MolaKule
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"...The viscosity was closer to the expected range for 0W/30..."
Huh?
Huh?
MolaKule
Staff member
No, the AFE 0W30 is a 30 Grade oil and is supposed have a 100C viscosity of 11.5 cSt
https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-0w-30/
See the viscosity charts here for a 30 Grade oil at 100C
https://bobistheoilguy.com/viscosity-charts/
This oil is at the middle of the 20 Grade level, so the statement made by Blackstone is ludicrous, since they also state there is only a trace of fuel.
I think what Rand meant was Blackstone typo'd the comment in the report. They meant to say
"...The viscosity was closer to the expected range for 0W/20..." which would make more sense considering the grade of the oil being obviously lower than Blackstone's own "Should Be" values for 0W/30.
I’ve wondered if M1 0w30 was a poor oil and it’s practice to just be a 20wt oil is not a good decision
Everything I've read shows it to be a high quality oil that tends to shear down a grade during use. It might make more sense to use it in a vehicle that calls for 0W/20. I could see it yielding better wear levels and finishing up at a solid 20 grade whereas if you started with a 0W/20, it might be finishing up closer to 6 cSt.
I was saying blackstone had the typo/brainfart. Sorry I wasnt clear.
Well, good thing I switched to ESP then!
edyvw
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It is. That KV100 is really low.
You have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L 5W30 in Wal Mart for $22 for 5qt.
My only concern with that oil is that for my climate an 0w30 is preferable for the winter, as its often below zero for a week or more during the winter, with some days getting down to -30F to -40F, and this oil in it now will be in during the winter.
There’s no way to determine whether the viscosity deviation is due to mechanical shear or fuel dilution from this UOA. Given the history I’m going to guess fuel dilution on this one.
edyvw
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Oh yeah, I would go 0W30 though technically 5W30 would cut it.
Blackstone's comments might as well not even exist. lol What a joke.
Given those conditions and the obvious beating your engine puts on the oil, I think you'd be better off to step away from the API realm. HPL Premium Plus 0W-30 (KV100 = 10.0, Pour point = -58*C) would be a good fit for you.
https://www.advlubrication.com/coll...ssenger-car-engine-oil?variant=40523898880193
https://www.hplubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/PC-Premium-Plus-Engine-Oil-PDS.pdf
Given those conditions and the obvious beating your engine puts on the oil, I think you'd be better off to step away from the API realm. HPL Premium Plus 0W-30 (KV100 = 10.0, Pour point = -58*C) would be a good fit for you.
https://www.advlubrication.com/coll...ssenger-car-engine-oil?variant=40523898880193
https://www.hplubricants.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/PC-Premium-Plus-Engine-Oil-PDS.pdf
....compared to the last UOA that he had a ~6cst @100 , this one (at 7 cst@100) is closer to what a real 30 grade should be.
Good to see that those little 1.3T engines are going well, yours seem to be trending down nicely. Thanks for the UOA
I've never used AFE 0w30 for this reason. Not shear stable. Likely uses a high quality VM that is clean, but it doesn't maintain its viscosity well. One could argue that is where they get their 2% fuel savings from. It's basically a 0w20 oil in use.
Gary Allen used to claim that M1 0W-40 was designed to shear down to a 30-weight in use; so it was really a 0W-30 in practice.
Now we are saying the same thing about AFE 0W-30?
edyvw
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You decided to go Mobil1 ESP 0W30. I would stick to that now that I think about it. Reason is MB229.52 approval. That approval has LSPI test requirement and 1.3T engine checks all boxes to have LSPI event.
Yes, that was one of the reasons, along with the high HTHS and sticking with the factory recommended grade of 0W30. Anything else I can do to prevent LSPI?
