Mobil 1 fans?

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There's a ton of Mobil 1 related threads. If I search for Mobil 1, I get lots of hits. So, I'm sure this thread is redundant, but I didn't see specifically what I was looking for.

Anyway, I've noticed that there seems to be a lot of Mobil 1 fans here. I thought that I heard that Mobil 1 stopped being a true synthetic years ago and is now really just an upper quality conventional oil. Is that bad info?

For my next oil change, I'm planning on using 0W-40 or 5W-40. I see that Mobil 1 has a 0W-40, and at least some people here seem to like it. Other choices might be AmsOil's 5W-40. Redline makes both a 0W-40 and a 5W-40.

Opinions?
 
I'm not much of a Mobil 1 fan. I think at one point, they sold a very high quality product. I think that since they have built such great name recognition, they are able to cut back on quality, because they know people will still buy their product. Besides, how will anyone really know how good their product is as long as it meets mfg specs? Another thing that has never sat well with me is the high iron numbers in the majority of Mobil 1 uoa's.
 
I've been told that M1 0w-40 is the best weight to get from Mobil. There oil is great and to reply to sxg6, SHOW PROOF THAT MOBIL HAS CUT BACK ON QUALITY! If you don't have documented proof that shows that Mobil cut back on quality, then don't make asinine comments.
 
Originally Posted By: OilMeBob
I thought that I heard that Mobil 1 stopped being a true synthetic years ago and is now really just an upper quality conventional oil.

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Originally Posted By: sxg6
I'm not much of a Mobil 1 fan. I think at one point, they sold a very high quality product. I think that since they have built such great name recognition, they are able to cut back on quality, because they know people will still buy their product. Besides, how will anyone really know how good their product is as long as it meets mfg specs? Another thing that has never sat well with me is the high iron numbers in the majority of Mobil 1 uoa's.


That sums up my thoughts.

I wonder if Pennzoil does the same thing with PYB knowing that they're going to sell the most dino even if it's worse than the competition. Then again, PYB doesn't consistently put out high Fe like Mobil 1.
 
Most synthetic oils on the market are a blend of proprietary synthetic base oils ranging from Groups III/IV/V. You will find most, if not all, use multiple base stocks. I suspect Amsoil is now in the same boat as well. Redline and a few Amsoil/M1 grades are strictly Grp IV/V but the mass majority of all synthetics are a blend of different base oils.

As far as quality goes, Mobil 1 for over 30 years has always been at the top. The last few years have been a bit rough for Mobil 1 because Ashland apparently exposed a flaw in M1 5w30 on the Seq IVA wear test. No one will ever know the full story on that one, but some have been turned off by Mobil 1 since then.
 
I believe they used to be Group IV and are now Group 3 much like other synthetics, and Group II/II+ on the conventional side.

I have used Mobil 1 5w30/10w30 for about 8 years with no problems when I had my Impala, and wouldn't hesitate to use it again.

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Originally Posted By: sxg6
I think that since they have built such great name recognition, they are able to cut back on quality, because they know people will still buy their product.


Would not it be reckless after all the resources and time you invest into building something to ruin it so rapidly?
 
Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
I've been told that M1 0w-40 is the best weight to get from Mobil. There oil is great and to reply to sxg6, SHOW PROOF THAT MOBIL HAS CUT BACK ON QUALITY! If you don't have documented proof that shows that Mobil cut back on quality, then don't make asinine comments.


NightRider:

"Chicken or Egg?" Nobody has to "prove" to me that Mobil 1 has been changed -- XOM has to prove to me that it is still the same. They have changed the color of the bottle and cap, have changed the name of their synthetic formula, and you still think that it is still the same Mobil 1 oil they sold years ago that was mostly PAO? I would like to sell you some beachfront property in Arizona then. XOM has probably changed Mobil 1 numerous times in the last 10 years as evidenced by their marketing changes.

Any company that won't admit they use PAOs can't be trusted. When I get a bottle of Redline or Motul or Maxima -- it clearly states on the bottle that it is Ester-based so they can't lie about it -- they have made a legal claim.

Show me a bottle of Mobil 1 that clearly states that it is PAO-based or ester-based and I will apologize and shut up.

The ball is in your court.......
 
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Originally Posted By: NightRiderQ45
I've been told that M1 0w-40 is the best weight to get from Mobil. There oil is great and to reply to sxg6, SHOW PROOF THAT MOBIL HAS CUT BACK ON QUALITY! If you don't have documented proof that shows that Mobil cut back on quality, then don't make asinine comments.


The man is stating his opinion, which he is entitled to do. There is no proof showing they have or haven't cut quality. There are many people who feel their quality has improved, others think it is the same, and still others think their quality is sinking. All opinions.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint


The man is stating his opinion, which he is entitled to do. There is no proof showing they have or haven't cut quality. There are many people who feel their quality has improved, others think it is the same, and still others think their quality is sinking. All opinions.


Yup, I can assure you I'm not trying to rock the boat. I've seen enough threads like this, and I know how they end. Therefore, I just wanted to throw in my .02, and this will probably be my last reply in this thread.
 
Originally Posted By: Zedhed


Any company that won't admit they use PAOs can't be trusted. When I get a bottle of Redline or Motul or Maxima -- it clearly states on the bottle that it is Ester-based so they can't lie about it -- they have made a legal claim.

Show me a bottle of Mobil 1 that clearly states that it is PAO-based or ester-based and I will apologize and shut up.

Not on the bottle itself, but from the M1 FAQ:
Quote:

Is Mobil 1 with SuperSyn Technology a fully synthetic motor oil?
Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with SuperSyn uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives

To me, this is as useful or as useless as the info you get from Redline or any other manufacturer for that matter since none of them disclose exactly how much PAO (or Ester) it contains.

On the other hand, I haven't seen any proof that the newest M1 formulations provide any less engine protection than the old stuff.
 
My non-expert opinion. I have been using M1 for years and I believe they have always been a step ahead of the mass produced synthetics. It's all hearsay to me that it is no longer a true synthetic. Its true that PU, PP & others may have 1-upped M1 or at least equaled, with that said it really comes down to what you feel is better. All the synthetics out there are quality products that serve well for you. The synthetic blends may be confusing you. They are basically conventional oil. The conventional oils are excellent. There are many variables to consider, the Walmart house brand synthetic is great. When tese things may concern you it's a great thing to be able to have some comparisons to form a opinion.
 
Out of curiosity on the M1 debate,when did Exxon and Mobil merge? Is that when the oil became subject to scrutiny?
 
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Out of curiosity on the M1 debate,when did Exxon and Mobil merge? Is that when the oil became subject to scrutiny?


Merged on 11/30/1999.
 
There is no such thing as a "true" synthetic or a "false" synthetic. Each synthetic basestock (grp III-V) has their plusses and minuses. Just because group III is synthesized from a crude wax, it is the process, not the precursor, and its intermediate products that determine what the result is.

Where do you think PAOI manufacturers derive their monomers and base components from? Same place group III manufacturers do!
 
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