Im running Mobil 1 5w30 right now, any advantages to run M1 EP? Other than longer drain?
Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30
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Probably not. I don't see too many people using the EP portion of M1EP. I ran my friends out to about 9K
I used Mobil 1 and my valvetrain clattered like crazy. I used Mobil 1 EP and the clattering was not there.
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Have you noticed any unusual noise running that M1 5w30 ?
Lots of noise complaints about that oil here on BITOG.
Lots of noise complaints about that oil here on BITOG.
Actually it is a few people claiming to hear people claiming to hear noise.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Have you noticed any unusual noise running that M1 5w30 ?
Lots of noise complaints about that oil here on BITOG.
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Have you noticed any unusual noise running that M1 5w30 ?
Lots of noise complaints about that oil here on BITOG.
Originally Posted By: Kool1
I used Mobil 1 and my valvetrain clattered like crazy. I used Mobil 1 EP and the clattering was not there.
I have used Mobil 1 for years and in my current vehicles decided to not use it. It does, for whatever reason, make my drivetrains louder and it really does bother me. I have gone to Pennzoil Ultra and it did, without any doubt, make my vehicles sound smoother and lowered the noise of the drivetrains. I also switched to QS Defy for my sons 03 Monte Carlo and that also had the same results over Mobil 1 EP. Why is this going on? I always used Mobil 1 and now I am not sure if I will again... Maybe, there are too many other choices that may be better all around oils.
I used Mobil 1 and my valvetrain clattered like crazy. I used Mobil 1 EP and the clattering was not there.
I have used Mobil 1 for years and in my current vehicles decided to not use it. It does, for whatever reason, make my drivetrains louder and it really does bother me. I have gone to Pennzoil Ultra and it did, without any doubt, make my vehicles sound smoother and lowered the noise of the drivetrains. I also switched to QS Defy for my sons 03 Monte Carlo and that also had the same results over Mobil 1 EP. Why is this going on? I always used Mobil 1 and now I am not sure if I will again... Maybe, there are too many other choices that may be better all around oils.
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Any reason to not use EP if it's priced the same as regular M1?
I know many people have posted the clatter when using M1, but for me this only happens with Castrol Syntec. I never had a problem with M1.
We use PP, M1 AFE, Motorcraft Synblend (for Fords), and M1 EP in our vehicles in 0w-20 or 5w-20 variants. I don't notice noise with any of them. All are quieter after an oil change.
I would use M1 AFE (possibly slightly better mileage and better in extreme cold) or EP (longer drain) instead of regular M1 if they are the same price.
Our OCI is 12-14K/annual for EP (out of warranty) and 7.5-10K (in warranty factory recommendation) for the others. No significant wear on any of them from testing, and no oil consumption. Don't forget a synthetic media filter if you extend the drain.
I really like the annual interval with EP, much more convenient than following the maintenance minder ~6K recommendation.
I would use M1 AFE (possibly slightly better mileage and better in extreme cold) or EP (longer drain) instead of regular M1 if they are the same price.
Our OCI is 12-14K/annual for EP (out of warranty) and 7.5-10K (in warranty factory recommendation) for the others. No significant wear on any of them from testing, and no oil consumption. Don't forget a synthetic media filter if you extend the drain.
I really like the annual interval with EP, much more convenient than following the maintenance minder ~6K recommendation.
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I admire Mobil for giving customers an actual mileage and guaranteeing it in regards to m1 EP.
Better than everyone else and their cya disclaimers and leaving it up to the consumer to spend even more money making sure their premium product will go the distance.
Better than everyone else and their cya disclaimers and leaving it up to the consumer to spend even more money making sure their premium product will go the distance.
Originally Posted By: jigen
Any reason to not use EP if it's priced the same as regular M1?
Sadly, it NEVER is, although the price difference is really not that great.
Even in NAPA's current MI sale for $5.99/quart, the EP is NOT included.
(I want to put it in my son's Torrent 3.4, along with a NAPA/Wix Platinum filter>)
Any reason to not use EP if it's priced the same as regular M1?
Sadly, it NEVER is, although the price difference is really not that great.
Even in NAPA's current MI sale for $5.99/quart, the EP is NOT included.
(I want to put it in my son's Torrent 3.4, along with a NAPA/Wix Platinum filter>)
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Actually it is a few people claiming to hear people claiming to hear noise.
Is that a dare? I could go round up all the noise quotes and compile them into an overwhelming evidence post if necessary. . .
Actually it is a few people claiming to hear people claiming to hear noise.
Is that a dare? I could go round up all the noise quotes and compile them into an overwhelming evidence post if necessary. . .
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Actually it is a few people claiming to hear people claiming to hear noise.
Is that a dare? I could go round up all the noise quotes and compile them into an overwhelming evidence post if necessary. . .
Since M1 is used by the majority of synthetic oil users of the 49000 members here, only a few by comparison actually complain about noise. Then you would need to subtract the users of other oils from that, that complain about noise. Then subtract the M1 users that say M1 makes their engines run quite, like me. What have you got? Not much.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Actually it is a few people claiming to hear people claiming to hear noise.
Is that a dare? I could go round up all the noise quotes and compile them into an overwhelming evidence post if necessary. . .
Since M1 is used by the majority of synthetic oil users of the 49000 members here, only a few by comparison actually complain about noise. Then you would need to subtract the users of other oils from that, that complain about noise. Then subtract the M1 users that say M1 makes their engines run quite, like me. What have you got? Not much.
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Exactly, quotes don't mean much. "Synthetic causes leaks", "0W-XX is too thin it will ruin your engine", "Pennzoil is full of wax", "BMWs "like" thick oil", "you can't break in a new engine on synthetic oil it's too slippery", "you can't switch between synthetic oil and conventional", "drained like water", "OPE requires straight-weight oil", and "M1 causes noise". Got it.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Actually it is a few people claiming to hear people claiming to hear noise.
Is that a dare? I could go round up all the noise quotes and compile them into an overwhelming evidence post if necessary. . .
Since M1 is used by the majority of synthetic oil users of the 49000 members here, only a few by comparison actually complain about noise. Then you would need to subtract the users of other oils from that, that complain about noise. Then subtract the M1 users that say M1 makes their engines run quite, like me. What have you got? Not much.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Actually it is a few people claiming to hear people claiming to hear noise.
Is that a dare? I could go round up all the noise quotes and compile them into an overwhelming evidence post if necessary. . .
Since M1 is used by the majority of synthetic oil users of the 49000 members here, only a few by comparison actually complain about noise. Then you would need to subtract the users of other oils from that, that complain about noise. Then subtract the M1 users that say M1 makes their engines run quite, like me. What have you got? Not much.
Originally Posted By: NO2
...Don't forget a synthetic media filter if you extend the drain.
Here's an anecdotal story:
I ran EP with standard budget filters (e.g. Supertech, Purolator Classic) exclusively for six consecutive years in two sludger engines. OCIs were between 12 and 15 months, which was between 9k and 14k actual miles. For the first few of those years, I replaced the filter at the halfway point and at the OC before concluding that was overkill. For the last few of those years, I replaced the filter only at the OC. No known adverse effects.
...Don't forget a synthetic media filter if you extend the drain.
Here's an anecdotal story:
I ran EP with standard budget filters (e.g. Supertech, Purolator Classic) exclusively for six consecutive years in two sludger engines. OCIs were between 12 and 15 months, which was between 9k and 14k actual miles. For the first few of those years, I replaced the filter at the halfway point and at the OC before concluding that was overkill. For the last few of those years, I replaced the filter only at the OC. No known adverse effects.
Out of curiosity, did you ever cut those filters open?
I would still recommend synthetic media filters for any extended drains just as NO2 mentioned previously. Reason being are all of the synthetic media filters have wire mesh backing and also increased dirt holding capacity.
I would still recommend synthetic media filters for any extended drains just as NO2 mentioned previously. Reason being are all of the synthetic media filters have wire mesh backing and also increased dirt holding capacity.
My understanding is that M1 EP has a different base stock than the vanilla M1. Since we know that the vanilla M1 is a mostly (if not fully) Group III oil, chances are that the M1 EP has some Group V or perhaps both Group IV and V in it. Perhaps someone can do a smell test to see if any Group V alkylated naphthalene is in it. If it has Group V ester, there would be no unusual odor. Group V base oils increase the oil's lubricity and/or pressure - viscosity coefficient a lot and this would result in better lubrication of the valvetrain by the M1 EP in comparison to the vanilla M1.
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
My understanding is that M1 EP has a different base stock than the vanilla M1. Since we know that the vanilla M1 is a mostly (if not fully) Group III oil, chances are that the M1 EP has some Group V or perhaps both Group IV and V in it. Perhaps someone can do a smell test to see if any Group V alkylated naphthalene is in it. If it has Group V ester, there would be no unusual odor. Group V base oils increase the oil's lubricity and/or pressure - viscosity coefficient a lot and this would result in better lubrication of the valvetrain by the M1 EP in comparison to the vanilla M1.
^^^THIS is also what I am hoping, and one of the reasons I want to use it in my son's Torrent.
My understanding is that M1 EP has a different base stock than the vanilla M1. Since we know that the vanilla M1 is a mostly (if not fully) Group III oil, chances are that the M1 EP has some Group V or perhaps both Group IV and V in it. Perhaps someone can do a smell test to see if any Group V alkylated naphthalene is in it. If it has Group V ester, there would be no unusual odor. Group V base oils increase the oil's lubricity and/or pressure - viscosity coefficient a lot and this would result in better lubrication of the valvetrain by the M1 EP in comparison to the vanilla M1.
^^^THIS is also what I am hoping, and one of the reasons I want to use it in my son's Torrent.
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