MMO, again

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I hope we don't go into one of these long winded "prove it" threads.



Why not?

Independent lab tests give scientific evidence and PROOF that a product does what the manufacturer CLAIMS it does.

The only reason why a company would shy away from those independent tests is because they probably know that their product would be unsalable after the evidence came back that it did NOT do what it claimed or perhaps actually CAUSED issues that weren't there BEFORE the product was added.



I was hoping to avoid this but.......Fair enough, how about you prove it doesn't work to all of us who claim it does work. We've proven to ourselves and apparently many others it works, prove to us it doesn't. Share with us your testing, that proved it doesn't work. If it causes all the damage you imagine it can, how did the company succeed for almost 9 decades and not get put out of business? Or have horror stories all over the internet, instead of the success stories. The "independent lab" test results are expensive, and probably the reason why the company opted out. I'll be happy if you can you find more MMO horror stories on the www than success stories since anecdotal evidence is all we have. Is that fair enough? A lot of us, myself included would love to see them. Besides this poor dead horse has been beaten enough. Don't like the product, don't think it works, don't use it. Fair enough, or prove us all wrong if you like. Me I have nothing to prove, I've already proved to myself it works, and at the end of the day that's all that matters to me.

 

[Mystic]

Yes, the people who hate MMO never seem to be able to produce any evidence that MMO has destroyed a lot of engines. We have been waiting forever for this evidence and it has never shown up. The overwhelming majority of the personal experience stories seem to indicate that it does work.

If somebody does not believe in MMO, then they should just not use it. Nobody is forcing them to use MMO. Stick to just motor oil or use products like Auto-RX Plus.

If MMO destroys engines there definitely should be evidence somewhere on the internet. MMO has been sold for several decades. About the only story I have ever heard where MMO may have damaged an engine was when a guy used way too much MMO in an aircraft engine. A person has to be able to follow the directions. Otherwise the vast majority of personal experience stories are positive.

People need to get past the 'we need documentation from a lab' mumbo jumbo. We will probably never have any such documentation for any of these products, regardless if you are talking about MMO, Auto-RX, Kreen, or anything else. If somebody insists on such documentation then they can pay the professional lab to do the testing. Once you find out how much that would cost you will understand the lack of lab testing.

I would not mind seeing more compression testing (with a professional recording compression tester) and more before and after photography.

I do insist on a level playing field. If somebody is going to promote some product here, that product should receive the same amount of scrutiny as MMO. Where is the professional lab testing of those products?

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I hope we don't go into one of these long winded "prove it" threads.



Why not?

Independent lab tests give scientific evidence and PROOF that a product does what the manufacturer CLAIMS it does.

The only reason why a company would shy away from those independent tests is because they probably know that their product would be unsalable after the evidence came back that it did NOT do what it claimed or perhaps actually CAUSED issues that weren't there BEFORE the product was added.



I was hoping to avoid this but.......Fair enough, how about you prove it doesn't work to all of us who claim it does work.


That depends. Is he claiming that it doesn't work? And how does one prove a negative?

To paraphrase James Randi, he cannot prove a negative (such as MMO doesn't work), but he also argues that an individual who claims it works must prove so.

Or Bertrand Russell, inability to disprove does not prove.

Other than that, I'm just here for the lolz

 

[Mystic]

I don't think anybody has any obligation to prove anything. Anybody who has a positive experience with MMO (or any other product, for that matter) if they are a registered member here can start a post and tell their personal experience. But they don't have to prove that MMO (or any other product they talk about) works. How would they go about doing something like that? Hire a lab and spend millions of dollars of their own money to prove to people here that MMO works?

Frankly, these people who discuss their experiences with various products do the people here a favor. Especially if like Artem they use their own car for testing and go to the trouble of supplying before and after photography, or if they do quality compression testing before and after using a quality compression tester.

Some people who were promoting a product here constantly brought up this 'we demand scientific proof' mumbo jumbo. But they supplied no scientific proof for their own product except for compression testing with a compression tester of unknown quality.

I don't think scientific testing of any of these products is possible unless somebody is willing to pay a lab a great deal of money to obtain that scientific testing. So whoever wants to do that-go right ahead. If I was a billionaire I would not spend the money just to prove to naysayers here that a certain product works.

People can read the personal experiences of people here and make up their own minds. They can choose to use or not use any given product. Personally, if a large number of guys here say that a given product works for them, I would be more likely to try the product that a lot of guys say works.

And inability to disprove does not disprove. Again, and again, and again, let us see the evidence of the destroyed engines. After MMO has been in use for some 90 years there has to be a stack of ruined engines somewhere, if MMO is destroying engines.

Somebody a while back presented one case here of an aircraft engine allegedly being destroyed when too much MMO was used. But if the directions had been followed the engine probably would not have been destroyed. If the directions are followed MMO is probably about as safe to use as anything else.

One thing we do have at this website-we have a body of personal experiences and testimony. Now I was on jury duty twice in courtrooms. The last time I was in a courtroom personal testimony counted for something. Personal testimony may be all the evidence available.

 

[FXjohn]

you'd have to be crazy to believe on anything on blind faith alone.

 

[Mystic]

I am not going to believe anything on blind faith. In the case of MMO I saw my Dad try it in one or two car engines decades ago. It did not destroy the engines. I personally have used it (and still do) in my lawnmower engine. I have used it in the gasoline of my car. The car still runs.

I developed a lot of faith in Lubegard products. A chemist who had worked for Exxon helped to develop the Lubegard products. At one time three automobile manufacturers approved Lubegard automatic transmission supplements. And I tried a power steering supplement from Lubegard that certainly worked for me.

I have a lot of faith also in Schaeffer oil products.

Not all of these oil supplements and engine cleaners are junk and scams. Probably over 90% are worthless but that does not mean they all are worthless.

If you decide to use an engine cleaner or oil supplement, you have to use one that actually works. One way to try to find out which ones work is to come to this website and read the personal experiences of people who have tried various oil supplements.

Without the personal experiences of people there would probably be nothing written in the Oil Additives Section. Or at least there would be very little written.

 

[FXjohn]

why doesn't the MMO company know what their product does and why it does it? just because you used some and the "engine still runs" what did you accomplish?

 

[Mystic]

I think they do know what their product does. There is a guy here, demarpaint, who has used MMO for about 40 years. He says he has never had any problems. I have had PM discussions with demarpaint and he certainly seems like a smart guy who knows what he is talking about. I personally have never had any problems with MMO either.

Nobody has to use MMO, Auto-RX, Kreen, or any other product. All you really have to do to keep your vehicle running good for a long time is do all required maintenance, use quality motor oil changed at reasonable intervals, and use quality gasoline.

Anybody should be able to keep a quality car or truck running a very long time just doing the above.

But it would be nice if there was an effective engine cleaner that was safe to use. And various people have tried oil supplements. If a product like MMO or Kreen works it might make it possible for a person to run their vehicle a little while longer. I don't see what is wrong with that. And a few, not many, oil supplements really do seem to work.

I am not actually a big oil supplements guy. I think over 90% of oil supplements are junk. But I have had good luck with a few supplements. And I have a reasonable amount of confidence in Lubegard products, Schaeffer Oil products, Kano Lab products, and Turtle Wax with MMO. Beyond that just a few fuel system cleaners and fuel stabilizers.

 

[FXjohn]

what is "turtle wax with MMO"?

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn
why doesn't the MMO company know what their product does and why it does it? just because you used some and the "engine still runs" what did you accomplish?


They know what it exactly what it does, so do all the users here that posted about it. Why not visit their website, or email them and ask for yourself since you don't believe us? Then if you're not happy with the answers don't use the product. But by the same token if you haven't used it then you really can't comment about it because you have no experience with it.

 

[FXjohn]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: FXjohn
why doesn't the MMO company know what their product does and why it does it? just because you used some and the "engine still runs" what did you accomplish?


They know what it exactly what it does, so do all the users here that posted about it. Why not visit their website, or email them and ask for yourself since you don't believe us? Then if you're not happy with the answers don't use the product. But by the same token if you haven't used it then you really can't comment about it because you have no experience with it.


I use it but I have no idea if it's doing anything

 

[FXjohn]

I make a delicious marinade!
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[Mystic]

I think Turtle Wax is the company that owns the rights to MMO right now. Sorry, I thought most people here would know that.

Right now I am not using hardly any supplements at all. I used some fuel system cleaner a while back in my car (I think Gummout in the clear bottle) and I use MMO and fuel stabilizer in my lawnmower. I am just using motor oil in my car but if my car appeared to be really dirty inside I would be quite willing to try Kreen or MMO. The engine in my car runs very well with over 110,000 miles so I just use motor oil.

I have not actually used Lubegard Biotech Engine Protectant or any Schaeffer's Oil supplements in a long time. And I have not tried LM's moly supplement that a lot of people talk about here.

 

[Mystic]

FXJohn, I tried Facebook for a while and I consider it a huge waste of time so I don't know what all of this is about. I take it you have some serious dislike for MMO. Which is fine. Nobody says you have to like MMO. I was kind of surprised that you didn't know Turtle Wax owns the rights to MMO. I checked that Facebook page and I think they are trying to be humorous. Did you read all the posts there about MMO working in various people's engines?

If you don't like MMO, don't use it.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn
I make a delicious marinade!
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Marvel Mystery Oil
April 4 via mobile
Slip me on your lady's trunk when she's not looking - she'll appreciate it later.
83Like · · Share

Marvel Mystery Oil
March 15 via mobile
Try dabbing some Marvel's behind your ears before you head out to the club - it 'drives' the ladies wild!
127Like · · Share

Marvel Mystery Oil
February 22 via mobile
Y'all come by the Marvel's tent at Daytona for the Marvel's Mystery Oil wrestling contest!! 'Husky' broads go on at 10:30!!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marvel-Mystery-Oil/33576251579?fref=ts


There you go now you know how to use it. Let us know how it works out for you.

 

[FXjohn]

The product is composed of 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard.[1]

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn
The product is composed of 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard.[1]


Search again. It's been covered here.

 

[Mystic]

Well at least now FXJohn you know what the connection is between Turtle Wax and MMO. You seemed confused there when I said Turtle Wax with MMO. I meant of course that Turtle Wax owns the rights to MMO and I thought probably most people here knew that. Probably the overwhelming majority of all auto mechanics have heard of MMO.

 

[EType]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn
what is "turtle wax with MMO"?


Nufinish?

 

[FXjohn]

Ingredient # 01
Ingredient Name BENZENE, 1,2-DICHLORO-
CAS Number 95501
Percent 0
Ingredient # 02
Ingredient Name MINERAL SPIRITS
CAS Number 8052413
Percent 0
Ingredient # 03
Ingredient Name NAPTHENIC HYDROCARBONS
CAS Number 64742525
Percent 0
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