I wonder if my FilterMag is doing just as well. I never cut open an oil filter to see if it was working.
Magnetic oil drain plug. First change
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Originally Posted By: harry j
Originally Posted By: Artem
^ Those are all pics i've collected over the years. The black plug is from another car that i service that has a similar plug.
The question is, would the oil filter have caught any of this stuff had it not stuck to the magnet...?
The oil filter would have caught some of these metal particles....after they ravaged their way through your oil pump. The sharp edges of the metal shards could have possibly cut through the filter media under velocity and pressure. It is always a good idea to use a magnetic oil drain plug to remove wear metal and to moniter metal wear. Be sure to use a high powered magnet to retain the debris so it does not re-enter the oil flow.
OK, a little less CNN/Fox/MSNBC style hype here. "Ravaged" their way through the oil pump? No. They might cause a slight amount of increased wear, but remember that the oil pump rotors are not being forced together UNDER HIGH LOADING like bearings are. They're just rotating together and squeezing oil- they can tolerate a fair amount of particulate matter going through them, and that's by design. Metal shards "cutting through" filter media??? Where does that notion come from? Filter media is MADE to trap jagged sharp particles! Under velocity and pressure? The filter media is a huge surface area compared to the oil passage feeding it, again BY DESIGN to slow the oil down and minimize the differential pressure across the media.
I agree with your overall premise- a magnetic plug is a good thing. But you greatly, GREATLY, overstate the alleged "hazards" of not using one. And besides, just what percentage of the oil goes close enough to the drain plug for particles to be snatched on each pass through the pan anyway? A small percentage. Statistically speaking, its likely to be after several passes through the pump that a given sub-20-micron particle might get trapped on the magnetic plug anyway. A magnet on the filter is much more likely to snag particles on the first pass through the pump.
Originally Posted By: Artem
^ Those are all pics i've collected over the years. The black plug is from another car that i service that has a similar plug.
The question is, would the oil filter have caught any of this stuff had it not stuck to the magnet...?
The oil filter would have caught some of these metal particles....after they ravaged their way through your oil pump. The sharp edges of the metal shards could have possibly cut through the filter media under velocity and pressure. It is always a good idea to use a magnetic oil drain plug to remove wear metal and to moniter metal wear. Be sure to use a high powered magnet to retain the debris so it does not re-enter the oil flow.
OK, a little less CNN/Fox/MSNBC style hype here. "Ravaged" their way through the oil pump? No. They might cause a slight amount of increased wear, but remember that the oil pump rotors are not being forced together UNDER HIGH LOADING like bearings are. They're just rotating together and squeezing oil- they can tolerate a fair amount of particulate matter going through them, and that's by design. Metal shards "cutting through" filter media??? Where does that notion come from? Filter media is MADE to trap jagged sharp particles! Under velocity and pressure? The filter media is a huge surface area compared to the oil passage feeding it, again BY DESIGN to slow the oil down and minimize the differential pressure across the media.
I agree with your overall premise- a magnetic plug is a good thing. But you greatly, GREATLY, overstate the alleged "hazards" of not using one. And besides, just what percentage of the oil goes close enough to the drain plug for particles to be snatched on each pass through the pan anyway? A small percentage. Statistically speaking, its likely to be after several passes through the pump that a given sub-20-micron particle might get trapped on the magnetic plug anyway. A magnet on the filter is much more likely to snag particles on the first pass through the pump.
I think the real premise of the magnetic plug is to catch and retain particles as they settle out after you shut down.
There's no way they can catch much when the engine is in operation.
And a big X2 on the huge enhancement of the hazards!
There's no way they can catch much when the engine is in operation.
And a big X2 on the huge enhancement of the hazards!
Originally Posted By: artificialist
I wonder if my FilterMag is doing just as well. I never cut open an oil filter to see if it was working.
There is less metal debris on the magnetic oil drain plug since I have started using 2 CT3.2 Filtermags on the oil filter. While I have not cut open a filter, it looks like it is working. If anyone has a desire to cut open a used oil filter (EAO36 Amsoil), I would be delighted to sent one your way.
I wonder if my FilterMag is doing just as well. I never cut open an oil filter to see if it was working.
There is less metal debris on the magnetic oil drain plug since I have started using 2 CT3.2 Filtermags on the oil filter. While I have not cut open a filter, it looks like it is working. If anyone has a desire to cut open a used oil filter (EAO36 Amsoil), I would be delighted to sent one your way.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Artem
The question is, would the oil filter have caught any of this stuff had it not stuck to the magnet...?
The answer is no. I put these particles under a microscope and they were very similar in size to graphite, 10um and under. That is not reliably filtered by oil filter. If they were, you would not see them on the magnet in the first place.
An amazing answer considering you have no idea of the sizing of HIS particles. Please explain how they should be equal to the ones you so carefully analyzed.
Of course his particles are the size of eggs. You should get more sleep, will help you with anger.
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Contrary to what you might think, wear particles do not come in all sizes and shapes. There are, in fact, only a handful of distinct types of wear particles, and these particles occur in only specific size ranges. The most common wear particle in a lubricated system is the normal rubbing wear particle.
http://www.wearcheck.com/literature/techdoc/WCA001.htm
The OP's description was normal wear that smears like graphite. This is what I examined under microscope.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Artem
The question is, would the oil filter have caught any of this stuff had it not stuck to the magnet...?
The answer is no. I put these particles under a microscope and they were very similar in size to graphite, 10um and under. That is not reliably filtered by oil filter. If they were, you would not see them on the magnet in the first place.
An amazing answer considering you have no idea of the sizing of HIS particles. Please explain how they should be equal to the ones you so carefully analyzed.
Of course his particles are the size of eggs. You should get more sleep, will help you with anger.
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Contrary to what you might think, wear particles do not come in all sizes and shapes. There are, in fact, only a handful of distinct types of wear particles, and these particles occur in only specific size ranges. The most common wear particle in a lubricated system is the normal rubbing wear particle.
http://www.wearcheck.com/literature/techdoc/WCA001.htm
The OP's description was normal wear that smears like graphite. This is what I examined under microscope.
^^^^Great comeback, but how did you imagine anger?
Only in your own mind.
And you still didn't give any real answer. The simple fact eludes you so easily. His engine is not yours. They are likely to contain a few differing particles. "Ranges" of sizes, eh?
Hope that doesn't offend you somehow.
Only in your own mind.
And you still didn't give any real answer. The simple fact eludes you so easily. His engine is not yours. They are likely to contain a few differing particles. "Ranges" of sizes, eh?
Hope that doesn't offend you somehow.
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Thanks for the commentary and the pictures. Certainly can do no harm.
Here is the link to where I got the Gold Plug.
http://www.goldplug.com/
Here is the link to where I got the Gold Plug.
http://www.goldplug.com/
Originally Posted By: MajorCavalry
Thanks for the commentary and the pictures. Certainly can do no harm.
Here is the link to where I got the Gold Plug.
http://www.goldplug.com/
I bought this for my Prius:
http://bit.ly/UBUYou
Its $6.49 with free shipping and its STRONG. I was impressed by the strength of the magnet.
Thanks for the commentary and the pictures. Certainly can do no harm.
Here is the link to where I got the Gold Plug.
http://www.goldplug.com/
I bought this for my Prius:
http://bit.ly/UBUYou
Its $6.49 with free shipping and its STRONG. I was impressed by the strength of the magnet.
i think i got my magnetic drainplug from the local NAPA for about $3...
Just for giggles I've let a half quart of my used oil sit in a glass jar for a couple of days. Even after only 3500 miles in a 7 quart sump, a layer of slime that I'd really rather not have floating around drops.
How many miles on the odometer?
Originally Posted By: antonmnster
Just for giggles I've let a half quart of my used oil sit in a glass jar for a couple of days. Even after only 3500 miles in a 7 quart sump, a layer of slime that I'd really rather not have floating around drops.
Originally Posted By: antonmnster
Just for giggles I've let a half quart of my used oil sit in a glass jar for a couple of days. Even after only 3500 miles in a 7 quart sump, a layer of slime that I'd really rather not have floating around drops.
My comment is simple. Posting sales messages is in bad form. Not impressed.
Since we get engines that easily outlast the trucks they come in with just oil and filter changes by following the OLM, what exactly do we gain?
And you need a copy editor! The word "honestly" sure is used a lot...
Since we get engines that easily outlast the trucks they come in with just oil and filter changes by following the OLM, what exactly do we gain?
And you need a copy editor! The word "honestly" sure is used a lot...
Originally Posted By: the parts man
For almost 20 years we have found the best ticket to capture metal particulate, reduce wear and extend performance... is to insert a special high temperature magnet "INSIDE" the oil filter.
Note that you only need to capture the metal that passes through the oil filter, AFTER the element has captured what it can. The cellulose fibers will capture the metal ABOVE the size of the factory micron rating, I.E. 30 micron will catch above 30 micron, 25 will catch above 25, etc, etc. (Note: That is why you NEVER want to put magnets on the outside of a filter, you trap large ragged debris in metal casing, in front of the element. That build up will reduce and restrict flow over the inner metal surface, before the oil travels through the intended element for actual cleaning.)
Our labs have determined (in agreement with SAE testing results) that most engine wear is created by loose metallic particles in the oil. All engineers agree that over 75% of engine wear can be attributed to metal particulate smaller than 8 microns, a size impossible for spin on oil filters to capture. I read others comments about "seeing" heavy metal shavings on drain plugs and magnets. Please do not be confused regarding this fact, you would not be able to see 8 micron size particles as they are invisible to the naked eye (I.E. A human blood cell is about 10 microns). Additionally, anything big enough for you to see would have been caught by the oil filter, any particles bigger than about 50 micron in size.
As I alluded to above, any metallic particle under the filter's rating size will continue to circulate forever. They just float and bounce around, until they break down to smaller and smaller size bits and pieces. When they eventually do reach about 8 microns, they finally become small enough to slide between bearings and the nominal film thickness protecting moving wear parts. (Note: If bigger they just won't fit within the film thickness, so they can't create wear.)
Honestly, the "only way" to protect vital engine parts is to filter out from about 30 microns down to about 1 micron. That way you get the current and the potential critters waiting to eat your engine. (Note: This is typically the exclusive process true multi filter bypass systems use, IE the type in Diesel Trucks and large Off Road Equipment.)
Remember that we don't need to capture particulate larger that what a filter can remove on its own, any quality brand name unit will do the job efficiently. What is important is to change our oil and filter every 5k miles and to be sure to install a Patented Oil Filter Magnet each time.
Documented test results prove engine life (TBO) can be doubled when our Oil Filter Magnet is used and it takes only seconds to insert into the center of your new filter. For the price of a Coke, you'll instantly create a Super Filter that improves particulate filtration by 30 to 40 times. Additionally OFM's completely negate the need to buy expensive high performance filters, expensive magnetic drain plugs and especially those expensive wrap around contraptions. (Note: I actually do recommend magnetic drain plugs, you just don't need to spend more than maybe $8 on one)
Honestly the answer to complete oil filtration is effortless and actually inexpensive. Use any good quality brand name oil filter and our patented magnets, you'll instantly begin reducing wear and extending your engine's life.
www.OilFilterMagnets.com
Looking forward to comments...
Thanks, Gary
Do you have this as some form of ad copy. I'm sure vie seen this exact post in 4 threads.
Funny. A few magnet threads get started and now we have the miracle answer.
I'll say now what I said in reference to your other post in a different thread ....... Find a way to make the body's last as long as today's engines are already going,THEN you've got something,til then all you are providing is the auto wrecker with the nicest running engine in the scrapyard.
And I suggest sending Helen some cash before all your commercial posts get deleted,and you are as forgotten as a [censored] in a windstorm
For almost 20 years we have found the best ticket to capture metal particulate, reduce wear and extend performance... is to insert a special high temperature magnet "INSIDE" the oil filter.
Note that you only need to capture the metal that passes through the oil filter, AFTER the element has captured what it can. The cellulose fibers will capture the metal ABOVE the size of the factory micron rating, I.E. 30 micron will catch above 30 micron, 25 will catch above 25, etc, etc. (Note: That is why you NEVER want to put magnets on the outside of a filter, you trap large ragged debris in metal casing, in front of the element. That build up will reduce and restrict flow over the inner metal surface, before the oil travels through the intended element for actual cleaning.)
Our labs have determined (in agreement with SAE testing results) that most engine wear is created by loose metallic particles in the oil. All engineers agree that over 75% of engine wear can be attributed to metal particulate smaller than 8 microns, a size impossible for spin on oil filters to capture. I read others comments about "seeing" heavy metal shavings on drain plugs and magnets. Please do not be confused regarding this fact, you would not be able to see 8 micron size particles as they are invisible to the naked eye (I.E. A human blood cell is about 10 microns). Additionally, anything big enough for you to see would have been caught by the oil filter, any particles bigger than about 50 micron in size.
As I alluded to above, any metallic particle under the filter's rating size will continue to circulate forever. They just float and bounce around, until they break down to smaller and smaller size bits and pieces. When they eventually do reach about 8 microns, they finally become small enough to slide between bearings and the nominal film thickness protecting moving wear parts. (Note: If bigger they just won't fit within the film thickness, so they can't create wear.)
Honestly, the "only way" to protect vital engine parts is to filter out from about 30 microns down to about 1 micron. That way you get the current and the potential critters waiting to eat your engine. (Note: This is typically the exclusive process true multi filter bypass systems use, IE the type in Diesel Trucks and large Off Road Equipment.)
Remember that we don't need to capture particulate larger that what a filter can remove on its own, any quality brand name unit will do the job efficiently. What is important is to change our oil and filter every 5k miles and to be sure to install a Patented Oil Filter Magnet each time.
Documented test results prove engine life (TBO) can be doubled when our Oil Filter Magnet is used and it takes only seconds to insert into the center of your new filter. For the price of a Coke, you'll instantly create a Super Filter that improves particulate filtration by 30 to 40 times. Additionally OFM's completely negate the need to buy expensive high performance filters, expensive magnetic drain plugs and especially those expensive wrap around contraptions. (Note: I actually do recommend magnetic drain plugs, you just don't need to spend more than maybe $8 on one)
Honestly the answer to complete oil filtration is effortless and actually inexpensive. Use any good quality brand name oil filter and our patented magnets, you'll instantly begin reducing wear and extending your engine's life.
www.OilFilterMagnets.com
Looking forward to comments...
Thanks, Gary
Do you have this as some form of ad copy. I'm sure vie seen this exact post in 4 threads.
Funny. A few magnet threads get started and now we have the miracle answer.
I'll say now what I said in reference to your other post in a different thread ....... Find a way to make the body's last as long as today's engines are already going,THEN you've got something,til then all you are providing is the auto wrecker with the nicest running engine in the scrapyard.
And I suggest sending Helen some cash before all your commercial posts get deleted,and you are as forgotten as a [censored] in a windstorm
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: the parts man
For almost 20 years we have found the best ticket to capture metal particulate, reduce wear and extend performance... is to insert a special high temperature magnet "INSIDE" the oil filter.
Note that you only need to capture the metal that passes through the oil filter, AFTER the element has captured what it can. The cellulose fibers will capture the metal ABOVE the size of the factory micron rating, I.E. 30 micron will catch above 30 micron, 25 will catch above 25, etc, etc. (Note: That is why you NEVER want to put magnets on the outside of a filter, you trap large ragged debris in metal casing, in front of the element. That build up will reduce and restrict flow over the inner metal surface, before the oil travels through the intended element for actual cleaning.)
Our labs have determined (in agreement with SAE testing results) that most engine wear is created by loose metallic particles in the oil. All engineers agree that over 75% of engine wear can be attributed to metal particulate smaller than 8 microns, a size impossible for spin on oil filters to capture. I read others comments about "seeing" heavy metal shavings on drain plugs and magnets. Please do not be confused regarding this fact, you would not be able to see 8 micron size particles as they are invisible to the naked eye (I.E. A human blood cell is about 10 microns). Additionally, anything big enough for you to see would have been caught by the oil filter, any particles bigger than about 50 micron in size.
As I alluded to above, any metallic particle under the filter's rating size will continue to circulate forever. They just float and bounce around, until they break down to smaller and smaller size bits and pieces. When they eventually do reach about 8 microns, they finally become small enough to slide between bearings and the nominal film thickness protecting moving wear parts. (Note: If bigger they just won't fit within the film thickness, so they can't create wear.)
Honestly, the "only way" to protect vital engine parts is to filter out from about 30 microns down to about 1 micron. That way you get the current and the potential critters waiting to eat your engine. (Note: This is typically the exclusive process true multi filter bypass systems use, IE the type in Diesel Trucks and large Off Road Equipment.)
Remember that we don't need to capture particulate larger that what a filter can remove on its own, any quality brand name unit will do the job efficiently. What is important is to change our oil and filter every 5k miles and to be sure to install a Patented Oil Filter Magnet each time.
Documented test results prove engine life (TBO) can be doubled when our Oil Filter Magnet is used and it takes only seconds to insert into the center of your new filter. For the price of a Coke, you'll instantly create a Super Filter that improves particulate filtration by 30 to 40 times. Additionally OFM's completely negate the need to buy expensive high performance filters, expensive magnetic drain plugs and especially those expensive wrap around contraptions. (Note: I actually do recommend magnetic drain plugs, you just don't need to spend more than maybe $8 on one)
Honestly the answer to complete oil filtration is effortless and actually inexpensive. Use any good quality brand name oil filter and our patented magnets, you'll instantly begin reducing wear and extending your engine's life.
www.OilFilterMagnets.com
Looking forward to comments...
Thanks, Gary
Do you have this as some form of ad copy. I'm sure vie seen this exact post in 4 threads.
Funny. A few magnet threads get started and now we have the miracle answer.
I'll say now what I said in reference to your other post in a different thread ....... Find a way to make the body's last as long as today's engines are already going,THEN you've got something,til then all you are providing is the auto wrecker with the nicest running engine in the scrapyard.
And I suggest sending Helen some cash before all your commercial posts get deleted,and you are as forgotten as a [censored] in a windstorm
Originally Posted By: the parts man
For almost 20 years we have found the best ticket to capture metal particulate, reduce wear and extend performance... is to insert a special high temperature magnet "INSIDE" the oil filter.
Note that you only need to capture the metal that passes through the oil filter, AFTER the element has captured what it can. The cellulose fibers will capture the metal ABOVE the size of the factory micron rating, I.E. 30 micron will catch above 30 micron, 25 will catch above 25, etc, etc. (Note: That is why you NEVER want to put magnets on the outside of a filter, you trap large ragged debris in metal casing, in front of the element. That build up will reduce and restrict flow over the inner metal surface, before the oil travels through the intended element for actual cleaning.)
Our labs have determined (in agreement with SAE testing results) that most engine wear is created by loose metallic particles in the oil. All engineers agree that over 75% of engine wear can be attributed to metal particulate smaller than 8 microns, a size impossible for spin on oil filters to capture. I read others comments about "seeing" heavy metal shavings on drain plugs and magnets. Please do not be confused regarding this fact, you would not be able to see 8 micron size particles as they are invisible to the naked eye (I.E. A human blood cell is about 10 microns). Additionally, anything big enough for you to see would have been caught by the oil filter, any particles bigger than about 50 micron in size.
As I alluded to above, any metallic particle under the filter's rating size will continue to circulate forever. They just float and bounce around, until they break down to smaller and smaller size bits and pieces. When they eventually do reach about 8 microns, they finally become small enough to slide between bearings and the nominal film thickness protecting moving wear parts. (Note: If bigger they just won't fit within the film thickness, so they can't create wear.)
Honestly, the "only way" to protect vital engine parts is to filter out from about 30 microns down to about 1 micron. That way you get the current and the potential critters waiting to eat your engine. (Note: This is typically the exclusive process true multi filter bypass systems use, IE the type in Diesel Trucks and large Off Road Equipment.)
Remember that we don't need to capture particulate larger that what a filter can remove on its own, any quality brand name unit will do the job efficiently. What is important is to change our oil and filter every 5k miles and to be sure to install a Patented Oil Filter Magnet each time.
Documented test results prove engine life (TBO) can be doubled when our Oil Filter Magnet is used and it takes only seconds to insert into the center of your new filter. For the price of a Coke, you'll instantly create a Super Filter that improves particulate filtration by 30 to 40 times. Additionally OFM's completely negate the need to buy expensive high performance filters, expensive magnetic drain plugs and especially those expensive wrap around contraptions. (Note: I actually do recommend magnetic drain plugs, you just don't need to spend more than maybe $8 on one)
Honestly the answer to complete oil filtration is effortless and actually inexpensive. Use any good quality brand name oil filter and our patented magnets, you'll instantly begin reducing wear and extending your engine's life.
www.OilFilterMagnets.com
Looking forward to comments...
Thanks, Gary
Do you have this as some form of ad copy. I'm sure vie seen this exact post in 4 threads.
Funny. A few magnet threads get started and now we have the miracle answer.
I'll say now what I said in reference to your other post in a different thread ....... Find a way to make the body's last as long as today's engines are already going,THEN you've got something,til then all you are providing is the auto wrecker with the nicest running engine in the scrapyard.
And I suggest sending Helen some cash before all your commercial posts get deleted,and you are as forgotten as a [censored] in a windstorm
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