Magnesium and Fuel Economy

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Magnesium is already being used in numerous applications in the automobile industry. It's a question of economics as to where and when it is used, just like any other material.
 
Very interesting, thanks for putting it up. I hope if we do start to use this metal more we find a way to safely produce it here in NA. I can't believe there is only one producer in the US. I guess because of geography. Israel has the Dead Sea (super salty) Utah has the flats and China has, well China seems to have everything (except oil).
 
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They didn't really directly compare it to aluminum. We're pretty good at making it with cheap electricity thanks to the TVA.

Also interesting that there's 200+ lbs of plastic in every car.
 
It can work both ways. It can make a car lighter and more fuel efficient, or conversely, it can allow people to buy bigger vehicles, which is more often the case.

Cars can always be made lighter. How much money are you willing to throw into incorporating advanced materials for automotive use?
 
When I was a kid, I had a friend who's father drove a truck for a living. He recalled an incident where a truck loaded with magnesium got into an accident and skidded, thereby igniting the magnesium by friction. They couldn'nt put out the fire.
 
When I was a kid, I set fire to an icecream tub, and molten plastic got into my skin. Later, played with petrol, and a number of times had "shrinkwrap" skin on my hands.

A few wheels, wiper motor casings, or transaxles in a few GJ of stored fuel, plastics, airbag canisters (and kinetic energy) ain't much of a worry.
 
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I think about high school science class when we would light magnesium strips and watch them burn.


Originally Posted By: mechtech2
When I was a kid, I had a friend who's father drove a truck for a living. He recalled an incident where a truck loaded with magnesium got into an accident and skidded, thereby igniting the magnesium by friction. They couldn'nt put out the fire.



These 2 quotes highlight some problems with the use of magnesium. Most vehicles on the road today have magnesium IP supports -called magbeams. They pose a big problem with fires because they are extremely hard to put out. We had a fire at my old assembly plant once and the magbeam just kept buring and we had to wait for the local FD to put it out because our plant fire dept was not equipped to do so.
 
So magnesium can really only be cast? That limits it.

Might make good door side impact beams though. We've got a fetish for safety, at a substantial weight penalty...
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
When I was a kid, I had a friend who's father drove a truck for a living. He recalled an incident where a truck loaded with magnesium got into an accident and skidded, thereby igniting the magnesium by friction. They couldn'nt put out the fire.


When I was an "old kid" (high school student, in the 1970s), I lost an acquaintance who drove a VW Rabbit into a tree, high-speed, on a curvy, back-woods New Hampshire country road.

For whatever reason, the Rabbit of that vintage had a magnesium steering column. As a result of the subject crash, the steering column ignited. At that time, said acquaintance was either dead or unconscious and slumped over the wheel -- at least I hope he was.

The ensuing fire was so intense that all that remained was a very, very well incinerated skeleton. The normally tough and durable connective tissue had so extensively burned away that the skull detached, and rolled its way to the floorboard. Ewwwwww.

Yes, I later had to view the law enforcement photos. Thankfully, sort of, they were old-fashioned B&W, though given the condition of the remains, that was pretty much irrelevant. I'm sure that today's high-quality digitals would have revealed this brutal roasting (ummmm, make that, "quasi-cremation") in even better detail.

I'm sorry, it may be totally irrational, but I will forever carry a bias against the presence of magnesium, in any form, in my automobile.

As a now-30-year retired Marine, I will always appreciate the ability of magnesium (in properly handled flares) to illuminate my enemy. But, I'm sorry, I will NEVER, EVER, EVER be comfortable with any form of Mg appearing in any of my cars.
 
There are certainly places where magnesium is a good material to use... but I would say that under the hood is not among them.

Google "B-29 prototype" or "B-29 engine fire" Those engines made extensive use of magnesium to save weight, but when one caught fire it was very likely to burn through the main wing spar. :-/

Aluminum is only slightly heavier, but its MUCH harder to burn.
 
Yeah, It sure does make fighting a vehicle fire interesting... many vehicles are using them in dashboard components, transmissions, transfer cases, etc. Video gets interesting at 1:10.
 
The BMW I6's crankcases are largely magnesium. Many engine covers and parts on my bike are also magnesium. Light weight is good.

I think the wheels on my old 911's were magnesium.
 
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