Lucas Oil @ 5000 km - 2007 Kia Carnival @ 80000km

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Oil: Lucas Oil
Grade: Unknown
Klms: approx 5000km

Vehicle: 2007 Kia Carnival (2.7L V6 Hyundai Engine)
Klms: approx 80000km

Oil analysis performed by Roktex.

Laboratory Comments:

* Silicon is slightly elevated and may indicate dirt or gasket sealant
* Sodium is critical and may indicate coolant leakage or salt contamination. Check source
* Other results are satisfactory.
* A normalisation factor of 2.00 has been applied to the wear metals during final analysis.
* Recommend oil be drained and new oil be sampled at half recommended intervals to monitor condition.

Results:

Iron 9
Chromium 0.3
Copper 4
Lead 0.9
Aliminium 2
Tin 0.9
Silicon 16
Sodium 252
Calcium 1830
Nickel 0.9
Vanadium 0
Magnesium 5
Phosphorous 714
Silver 0.9
Titanium 0.9
Molybdenum 5
Zinc 903
Sulphur 2320
Oxidation 14.1
Nitration 10
ViscosityAt100 0
Water 0.061
FTIRSoot 0
TBN 8.13
FuelDilution 1.8

I will be changing the oil/filter and checking the air filter and doing the next analysis at 2500km.

Any comments?
 
I guess I don't understand....Why pull the oil out at 5000km (3000 miles).....seeing that the TBN was 8.13 ???

With the age of your vehicle....its not under warranty.

At a TBN of 8.13....it seems you could have gone at least 15 to 20,000km....IMHO...its a waste of $$, good oil and resources.
 
What does a normalization factor of 2 mean?

Do we know whether Lucas uses Na in their add pack?

Unless you're losing coolant or cannot confirm that Na is in the add pack, going any shorter of an interval is ridiculous.
 
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the comments. This is my first ever UOA. I have not drained the oil as yet.

Should I leave it in and do another UOA in 5000km?

The TBN is still good, so it does seem a waste to drain the oil.
 
Is 8.13 supposed to be on the viscosity line?

Originally Posted By: gathermewool
What does a normalization factor of 2 mean?

Do we know whether Lucas uses Na in their add pack?

Unless you're losing coolant or cannot confirm that Na is in the add pack, going any shorter of an interval is ridiculous.


^^^
 
Holy sulphur batman!!!
crazy2.gif
and you've got a bit of fuel dilution too.
 
Originally Posted By: jorton
Is 8.13 supposed to be on the viscosity line?

Originally Posted By: gathermewool
What does a normalization factor of 2 mean?

Do we know whether Lucas uses Na in their add pack?

Unless you're losing coolant or cannot confirm that Na is in the add pack, going any shorter of an interval is ridiculous.


^^^
For $29.95, they don't test viscosity.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Holy sulphur batman!!!
crazy2.gif
and you've got a bit of fuel dilution too.
I expected fuel dilution, as this car does more short trips than long ones. Plus when I pick up my daughter from school on hot days, I sit with the engine running and the air conditioner going.
 
Originally Posted By: suzukiguy1978
Originally Posted By: jorton
Is 8.13 supposed to be on the viscosity line?

Originally Posted By: gathermewool
What does a normalization factor of 2 mean?

Do we know whether Lucas uses Na in their add pack?

Unless you're losing coolant or cannot confirm that Na is in the add pack, going any shorter of an interval is ridiculous.


^^^
For $29.95, they don't test viscosity.

You don't know the oil grade and the lab' doesn't to a viscosity test. Unless you have an oil pressure gauge I'd dump this oil in favour of an oil of at least a known viscosity.
 
Originally Posted By: REDDOG
The lab is out to lunch. Sodium is part of the add pack. Looks good.


i agree, looks good.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: suzukiguy1978
Originally Posted By: jorton
Is 8.13 supposed to be on the viscosity line?

Originally Posted By: gathermewool
What does a normalization factor of 2 mean?

Do we know whether Lucas uses Na in their add pack?

Unless you're losing coolant or cannot confirm that Na is in the add pack, going any shorter of an interval is ridiculous.


^^^
For $29.95, they don't test viscosity.

You don't know the oil grade and the lab' doesn't to a viscosity test. Unless you have an oil pressure gauge I'd dump this oil in favour of an oil of at least a known viscosity.
I'm gonna ring my mechanic and ask him when I get around to it.
 
^By the way, this report looks good as others have said. That is a hard to believe TBN, but sodium is probably from additive.

The lab is trying to get you to pay them more for resampling, total bologna.

Run to 5,000 miles and resample. Ask for a viscosity check too, or find another lab. You know the TBN apparently can make 3,000 miles easily, going to 12,000 km and verifying if the oil holds within grade and you are set.
 
I emailed Lucas Oil and they confirmed that sodium is part of their add pack that meets API SN specifications.

I'll re-sample again in another 5000km, but this time i'll try get the viscosity checked and maybe use a different lab.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Holy sulphur batman!!!
crazy2.gif
and you've got a bit of fuel dilution too.


2320ppm is very low for sulfur. ACEA E6 and C3 specifyE7 oils are 4500-6000ppm S.

Charlie
 
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Holy sulphur batman!!!
crazy2.gif
and you've got a bit of fuel dilution too.


2320ppm is very low for sulfur. ACEA E6 and C3 specifyE7 oils are 4500-6000ppm S.

Charlie


Fair enough, but those are Euro HP and Diesel spec's you've quoted. What are the limits/averages for your regular API SN PCMO?
 
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