Originally Posted By: ourfamo4
I believe that any European company has to list the oils correctly on their sites.
Lubro Moly lists "fully synthetic"
http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produktdb.nsf/id/usa_2040.html
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http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/produktdb.nsf/id/e_1306.html
Pentosin does list the same oils between both DE & US sites - http://www.pentosin.de/shop.php?c=214,230
I believe the oils listed under "Fully Synthetic" are all GRP IV products. But I do not know for sure.
nope,have to disagree.your implying that any european company has to label ONLY those oils that are grp4 and 5 as fully synthetic over here and can not label them as such if they are grp 3.....i think not.
in the pentosin site,you will find the pento high performance 5w-40 under HC-synthetic technologies.both this oil and the performance II(a newer version i believe specifically formulated for international markets,including north america),are discribed as fully synthetic over here....but there are only three oils that are under fully-synthetic technologies on their site.
fortunately,when you click on english,nothing changes.however,on the german homepage for liquimoly,when you click on the american flag,EVERY THING CHANGES,...and apparently the rules.
i think it's not europe that's illegal to call something fully-synthetic if it's grp 3,but only in germany. of course,some people say that germany IS europe(no offense) because there influence is that great there,but that doesn't mean they can't use words for which you need to understand the lingo,...or that they can't call something fully-synthetic that's meant for another market and call it so right on there site.
on the liqui-moly.de(german site),you will note that product number 2040 does not show up under fully-synthetic even when you click on the british flag/jack(for the british market),but when you click on the american flag(for the north american market),it will show up under fully-synthetic(2040)....even the msds looks totally different which says under section 3,mineral oil 60-100%....i believe it is the same for the australian market.
in fact,i believe that for the north american market,even the 0w-40(which i believe is true PAO)uses mineral oil as the carrier oil for the add-pack but not on the german market.
...but as the highlander says,"there can be only one",lol.
plus,there is more evidence to more than suggest that the 5w-40 that liquimoly sells over here is grp 3 oil.in any case,it's still good oil and should work just fine.the contrary was never my implication.