Lubegard has their own Full ATF now?

[MolaKule]

As for ILI's ATF, I think it was inevitable that they had to produce an ATF for two reasons:

1.) waining sales of their ATF additives, 2.) incorporation of their patented LXE esters into their ATF formulation.

 

[brandini]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
The simple fact that Dex VI is backward compatible with III should tell you that both specs can be met by one fluid- namely Dex VI itself.

Only in GM transmissions. GM said you could use them in GM transmissions, even aftermarket mfrs semi-warn of this. Example: http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/C10165.pdf Quote: DEXRON-VI is not suitable for use in non-GM vehicles which called for DEXRON-III or DEXRON-II type fluids. In these applications CITGO recommends the use of TRANSGARD Multi-Purpose ATF.

 

[ronp]

So transguard falls inline with the multi spec fluids where talking about.

That is interesting though that non gm manufacturers do not acknowledge backward compatibility of dex 6 the way gm does. I wonder if it some sorta licensing thing?

 

[ronp]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: ronp
...One thing I don't get(because lack of knowledge I suppose) is how LG platinum converts fluid yet can also be used as an oe fluid protecent?? My logic would tell me that it would make the oe fluid unfit for its oe intended application used as a protectent?? The lubguard application guide indicates that red or platinum can both be used for all oe ATF other than type f or cvt fluids. I have used it just as an oe protectent though and had no problems with that either.



Well, the theory is, you take a a so-called protectant (LubeGard Red) and insert friction modifiers.

Back when ATF chemistry did not have the advanced anti-oxidants, Viscosity Modifiers, and friction modifiers as we do now, something like LubeGard Red probably helped prolong the inevitable.

With today's advanced ATF chemistry, I see no reason for ATF additives unless you have, say, a transmission that may have varnished valving and LubeGard may have some use.

Fluid changes are the best insurance, IMHO.

I was never convinced that conversion fluids actually "converted" anything,

Additional logic would say that lack of a problem does not necessarily convey a benefit.


You could say the benefit of lack of a problem in this scenario would be the simplicity/convenience or cost effectiveness of one fluid over another. At the same time having no ill negative consequences from straying away from a "required" oe product.

 

[MolaKule]

One cannot prove a negative, nor can one show an advantage from something that costs you yet does not show a benefit.

 

[brandini]

Originally Posted By: ronp
So transguard falls inline with the multi spec fluids where talking about.

That is interesting though that non gm manufacturers do not acknowledge backward compatibility of dex 6 the way gm does. I wonder if it some sorta licensing thing?

Most likely it's because Non-GM mfrs aren't all testing their old transmissions with GM's new fluid to allow this since there is no real reason for them to do so. So possibly partially a licensing thing such that GM makes money on it and wants to generate demand for it.

 

[Whitewolf]

Originally Posted By: brandini
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
The simple fact that Dex VI is backward compatible with III should tell you that both specs can be met by one fluid- namely Dex VI itself.

Only in GM transmissions. GM said you could use them in GM transmissions, even aftermarket mfrs semi-warn of this. Example: http://www.docs.citgo.com/msds_pi/C10165.pdf Quote: DEXRON-VI is not suitable for use in non-GM vehicles which called for DEXRON-III or DEXRON-II type fluids. In these applications CITGO recommends the use of TRANSGARD Multi-Purpose ATF.


Transguard is their product, what else do you expect them to say?

 

[Whitewolf]

Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
It has already been documented and published that some of the listed fluids are very different in terms of for instance, friction characteristics. Information is shown in SAE paper #2007-01-3987.


It's interesting that this subject has been raised yet again on another thread.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: brandini
The minimum viscosity of Dexron III is higher than the maximum viscosity of Dexron VI. I call [censored] on it meeting all specs listed based on that it has both listed.

It's impossible to meet both specs with 1 fluid, so if they're going to lie about that, what else are they going to lie about?


This has been beaten to death before. Part of the Dex VI spec is that it have much better viscosity retention (less thinning) during use, so that after a period of use Dex VI will be the same thickness as Dex III after a similar use period. The simple fact that Dex VI is backward compatible with III should tell you that both specs can be met by one fluid- namely Dex VI itself.


I STILL would NEVER use it in a manual gearbox which calls for a Dex 3 ATF (T56es, other Tremecs, etc.).

 

[mjoekingz28]

Do theynot have Synchromesh for standars, dailydriver?

 

[Joeforester]

Warrenty for their fluid?

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Do theynot have Synchromesh for standars, dailydriver?


There's LOTS I can use (I wish there were a few more, like the non-existent here, Penrite 70W MTF).

I was just stating that ANY Dex 6 is WAY TOO THIN for my application, in my climate.

 

[Whitewolf]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Do theynot have Synchromesh for standars, dailydriver?


There's LOTS I can use (I wish there were a few more, like the non-existent here, Penrite 70W MTF).

I was just stating that ANY Dex 6 is WAY TOO THIN for my application, in my climate.

If that's the case then you would really have a problem with fully sheared DEXRON-III, that's only about 4.2 cSt at 100C!

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Do theynot have Synchromesh for standars, dailydriver?


There's LOTS I can use (I wish there were a few more, like the non-existent here, Penrite 70W MTF).

I was just stating that ANY Dex 6 is WAY TOO THIN for my application, in my climate.

If that's the case then you would really have a problem with fully sheared DEXRON-III, that's only about 4.2 cSt at 100C!


Maybe that's why (or ONE of the reasons why) I use a practically shear proof Dex 3.

Which is also rated at GL-4 protection levels by their head tech/tribologist, even though some on here doubt/diss the possibility of that being a reality.

IF I could find a great shifting, thin enough actual MTF, I would use it. (Like I said I REALLY want to try the Penrite Pro Gear 70W-75, but cannot find it anywhere without having it shipped from Oz.

)

 

[MolaKule]

LubeGard Low Vis ATF Analysis:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3815678#Post3815678