Lube Control & Auto-RX question

[wtd]

Is one or the other of these two products better to use to keep an engine clean? I have done the Auto-RX cleanup in the past and have used both products at different times for maintainence purposes. I would like to chose one of these products to stick with. I'm almost out of Auto-RX and have about 3/4 of a gallon left of LC.

Is LC as an effective cleaner as Auto-RX when used as a maintainence dose? Will it keep seals in good shape like Auto-RX does? Thanks for any input.

Wayne

 

[Not the Autorx Frank]

I don't know if one is better than the other but I knowTerry D advises against using both until further testing is done. If you already ran ARX, I would run the LC per instructions from here on out. FP is an important part of the formula when using LC. The FP helps lower insolubles while the LC prevents oxidation to keep the oil from thickening out of grade. This is my limited explanation anyways. You might want to have Terry read a used oil analysis for you and come up with a game plan for your needs.

 

[Terry]

Wayne, you are a long time valued customer so I feel I should jump in here.

You should know I was hired to test BOTH these fine products and have allowed both companies to use my name associated with them. They are both that good in my opinion. I have never allowed that in 25+ years of testing.

Auto-RX is "better" at cleaning and conditioning seals that are dry or aged, it is also gentler on them. LC is not any more hard on seals than motor oil but it does not condition them like RX.

Auto-RX is a periodic cleaner with much better dispersing capability. Auto-RX is a excellent ring pack cleaner that is unmatched for improving Compression readings while being very gentle and non hazardous by any measure. Recent Motorcycle testing for a major American motorcycle brand is showing incredible compression gains and cleanliness AND lower wear using that brands marginal quality oil !!!

Lube Control is a strong and safe anti-oxidant with a good cleaning ability and should be used consistantly at 1 to 2 ounces per qt of oil , then 1 to 3 ounces each 1000 miles for the duration of the oil drain. It eats carbon and soot the old fashion ball busting but inhibited solvent way !It also seems to have a way of converting those contaminants into solid lubricants.


So I think to optimize any automotive or diesel application ( using periodic oil analysis) use Auto-Rx at least annually or every 15,000 miles.

Use LC every oil change and add it as the active solvency cooks out every 1000 miles or so.

Fuel Power should be used at 1 ounce to 5 gallons of fuel ( diesel or gasoline) every fill up ( yes you can pour it in on top of fresh fuel) FP is very active and will mix very well.

As far as using both it can be done safely based on our testing ( not funded by either company).

The Auto-RX used in about a 3 to 6 ounce level in a oil treated with LC will display better dipsersing capability and we have observed no problems to date.

I have many customers who do this too but I PREFER to use Auto-RX as a periodic cleaner.

Once I can figure out a way to get a gelatnious form of Auto-RX in a oil filter then you could use both cost effectively with fabulous results.


Hope that helps clarify MY positions a bit. Each company may have a different view and I am speaking only for Dyson Analysis with these comments.


Sincerely, Terry

 

[wtd]

Terry,
Thanks for the information. I have used FP regularly ever since you recommended it to me a couple of years ago.

If I start using LC on a regular basis, Is there really any need to periodically use Auto-RX? Won't the LC keep the engine clean enough?

I do have a rear seal leaking since I switched from Mobil 1 to Chevron Supreme so should I continue to use Auto-RX until it stops or will LC help with this also?

Thanks again for your help and I'll probably have you do an interpretation again soon to see if everything is doing well since the intake manifold gasket repair last year.

Wayne

 

[Terry]

Wayne, as far as what to use and when to use it I like to see at least a annual analysis to fine tune a lube regime and confirm no ongoing issues causing havoc. It really saves wasted product and overkill.

Troubling to me that the rear seal is leaking with the Chevron vs. M1. That is antithetical to the normal result. I would do the Auto-RX seal repair technique to stop that then use the LC as I indicated above.

The LC will NOT normally stop the seal leak unless it is very lightly carbon induced and is still in good condition.

For instance I am using Auto-RX periodically in pure racing engines that get the oil changed every run based on oil analysis and compression tests with wonderful results.


TD

 

[wtd]

Terry, thanks. The seal leakage is basically seepage at this point. There are no drips but the back of the oil pan is lightly coated between oil changes. I will do the Auto-RX seal stoppage routine and see what happens. Thanks again.

Wayne

 

[Ian]

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Originally posted by Terry:
Auto-RX is "better" at cleaning and conditioning seals that are dry or aged, it is also gentler on them. LC is not any more hard on seals than motor oil but it does not condition them like RX.

Auto-RX is a periodic cleaner with much better dispersing capability. Auto-RX is a excellent ring pack cleaner that is unmatched for improving Compression readings while being very gentle and non hazardous by any measure. Recent Motorcycle testing for a major American motorcycle brand is showing incredible compression gains and cleanliness AND lower wear using that brands marginal quality oil !!!

Lube Control is a strong and safe anti-oxidant with a good cleaning ability and should be used consistantly at 1 to 2 ounces per qt of oil , then 1 to 3 ounces each 1000 miles for the duration of the oil drain. It eats carbon and soot the old fashion ball busting but inhibited solvent way !It also seems to have a way of converting those contaminants into solid lubricants.

Sincerely, Terry [/QB]

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Hi Terry,

Does this mean that since 'Auto-RX is "better" at cleaning and conditioning seals that are dry or aged' the Auto-RX is not necessary in an 2002 Toyota engine that has only clocked about 30,000 miles?

My usual driving pattern is start-stop traffic for about 25mins every morning to work, and then slightly smoother 20mins back home. Occasional (once every 7 weeks), average 110km/h for 4hours from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur.

Considering between the LC and Auto-RX.

 

[Terry]

Ian, I sent you a response via email since you are a valued oil analysis customer and I have 2 historical oil analysis data on your specific Toyota Ipsum engine.

I think a 1500 mile Auto-RX cleaning at the end of a drain interval would be beneficial for you at the mileage you are at. This will unload the oil to lube instead of attempting to clean. Your seals don't neccessarily need it.

I do recommend LC usage all the time and significantly and specifically we need to get Fuel Power by Lubecontrol.com to you guys in Singapore and Malaysia as the fuel quality is poor at best.

Use Auto-RX annually, LC and FP constantly for that 4 cylinder Ipsum.

 

[Ian]

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Originally posted by Terry:
Ian, I sent you a response via email since you are a valued oil analysis customer and I have 2 historical oil analysis data on your specific Toyota Ipsum engine.

I think a 1500 mile Auto-RX cleaning at the end of a drain interval would be beneficial for you at the mileage you are at. This will unload the oil to lube instead of attempting to clean. Your seals don't neccessarily need it.

I do recommend LC usage all the time and significantly and specifically we need to get Fuel Power by Lubecontrol.com to you guys in Singapore and Malaysia as the fuel quality is poor at best.

Use Auto-RX annually, LC and FP constantly for that 4 cylinder Ipsum.

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Dear Terry,

Thank you for the prompt response.

Cheers

Ian