Long commute to work? Why do you do it?

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Originally Posted By: JHZR2

The country is diverse enough that there isnt a one size fits all answer, though I do see a ton of stupidity in long commutes in giant guzzling vehicles with one person inside. But they get their result at the gas pump.


I had my 5 y/o with me splitting wood at his grandma's house and we drove my fully loaded dodge dakota to the store after. Parked between two other pickup trucks, both empty, and he asked "why?"
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I hate to gloat, but I'll be walking the 1/2 mile to work after I close on my new condo next week. The car will still get used probably between 10-12k miles/year for extracurricular activities.
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
...living in an apartment or condo with no place to be outdoors is totally counter to human nature. In fact it SUCKS. Urban life is OK when you're 23. Its just sad if you're still stuck in a high-rise without even a little postage stamp of back yard when you're 40.


There are plenty of places to be outdoors if you actually WALK places rather than drive everywhere! And there are lots of public parks here in the Austin area including 3 within WALKING distance from my house!

Taking care of a yard is a burden! I hate my yard! What I am supposed to do back there anyway? Watch the grass grow?

I just don't understand the mentality of having to have a little piece of dirt to call one's own. It's a free country, and if that's what you want, it's your prerogative, but don't tell me it's sad because I don't want the same. I think getting out gives you MORE of a sense of community not less. People who want to isolate themselves in a suburban cocoon (or urban in your case), well, I don't get it at all.

Ok, so back on topic

I have been at my current job for 11 years and during the first 3ish years I lived much further away from work, it was about a 44 mile round trip with half of it in very slow stop and go conditions. It would take me about 45-60 minutes to drive that 22 miles and it was stressful with all that traffic. I hated my trip to and from work with a passion. It would have been different if it was a 22 mile drive at freeway speeds but it wasn't and the time in traffic made me pull hairs out.

In 2004 I sold my house and moved much closer to work, only 2.2 miles away, in an area most people living in the suburbs would consider way too urban. Well you know what, I love my neighborhood now! There are people coming in and flipping houses left and right now because they see the inherent value in a close-in neighborhood. Since I bought before it became trendy, I got it cheap!

And I love my 5 minute commute to work! Not to mention, close in there are actually things called 'bike lanes' that don't exist in the suburbs so I can ride my bike to work 1-2 times a week! Plus I can easily access the bike lanes to take me downtown so I can enjoy many of the fine cultural events that Austin has to offer without dragging my car along. Yes, it's hot in the summertime but I just plan appropriately with lots of fluids, light colored clothing, and sunscreen.

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WILL NEVER LIVE IN THE SUBURBS AGAIN!
 
What do you consider to be a "long commute?" 10 miles? 30 miles? 100 miles?

When I graduated college and first started working, I had a 32 mile each way commute. I hated it, but I didn't have much choice. I was still living with my mom and I couldn't afford my own place. Luckily, I only had to do deal with that commute for about a year until my company moved into a new office building 12 miles closer to home. It's much better now, but I would prefer to be even closer. I'm still living with my mom, but I'm currently saving to buy a house. I will be looking at houses closer to my workplace, and not a mile farther from where I am now. I can tolerate a 20 mile commute, but nothing more. It's too much gas, too much time spent in the car, and I hate stop and go traffic.
 
Simple math.

I used to live in 1M+ population city, small house with a reasonable mortgage, 6 mile commute that took 25-30mins by car or bicycle no matter, even longer using public transport. Crime, stress was making for some restless nights.

Changed jobs, sold the house

...and with the cash bought my current much larger house/yard with lot$ of ca$h to spare community of less than 1K population, leaving me with a 40 mile all double divided highway, I see same 8 guys on the road each day...takes 35 mins, zero stress drive, zero money stress. Everything is much higher quality of life (schooling, crime, community etc..).


Different strokes I guess... the people who love city life will love it for the reasons that the suburban folks do not, and vise versa.
 
Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
...and with the cash bought my current much larger house/yard with lot$ of ca$h to spare community of less than 1K population, leaving me with a 40 mile all double divided highway, I see same 8 guys on the road each day...takes 35 mins, zero stress drive, zero money stress. Everything is much higher quality of life (schooling, crime, community etc..).


Different strokes I guess... the people who love city life will love it for the reasons that the suburban folks do not, and vise versa.


If the quality of life farther out could be such as you describe, I might consider it more strongly. But my city has probably the worst traffic in the US for a city of it's size, and rated 8th worst overall for all US cities. It's much smaller than the other US cities on the top 10 list. (1.7m metro area, 800Kish city proper). A 40 mile commute would end up being 90 minutes in traffic for me.

True what you say about different strokes for different folks! A larger house, I can see, but I definitely don't want a larger yard! My lot is already 120 feet deep and that's about 40 more feet than I want.
 
Used to do 60 miles each way. I was living at home and making a salary that is not able to move out. A lot of people didn't make enough to buy a home where they work, so they commute and stay somewhere affordable.
 
Longest commute I've had was 95 miles on way. If it was straight 4 lane wouldn't of been a problem. Plus the car had no ac. Did that for about 6 months and downsized to 30ish miles. 30 miles one way is the perfect commute for me.. just enough time to unwind before getting to the house. Current commute is 7 miles and hoping to bump that up to 40 or 50 miles because KCK and KCMO is for the birds!

On a side note my dad has driven 60 miles a day for over 17 years. He's had one of his Festiva's 15 years and currently has 230k.. the only reason for low mileage is the addition of a 2nd 5 years ago. That one also has over 200k. He's going to drive them along for a couple more years to retirement. Average 45 on both and as high 48 in the summer. Paid less than grand for each.
 
I'll put it simply: people change jobs more often than they used to, so why change houses with that frequency?

My work location has changed several times in the last 10 years...I can put my family through all the hassle (including potentially setting my spouse up for a long commute to her job)...or I can simply keep the house, and accept a different commute...so far, I've lived between 15 and 350 miles from work...
 
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Originally Posted By: Brons2
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
...living in an apartment or condo with no place to be outdoors is totally counter to human nature. In fact it SUCKS. Urban life is OK when you're 23. Its just sad if you're still stuck in a high-rise without even a little postage stamp of back yard when you're 40.


There are plenty of places to be outdoors if you actually WALK places rather than drive everywhere! And there are lots of public parks here in the Austin area including 3 within WALKING distance from my house!

Taking care of a yard is a burden! I hate my yard! What I am supposed to do back there anyway? Watch the grass grow?

I just don't understand the mentality of having to have a little piece of dirt to call one's own. It's a free country, and if that's what you want, it's your prerogative, but don't tell me it's sad because I don't want the same. I think getting out gives you MORE of a sense of community not less. People who want to isolate themselves in a suburban cocoon (or urban in your case), well, I don't get it at all.


Its great that we both can live in the same country and do what we want. I feel exactly the OPPOSITE on every thing you mention.

When I walk outside (daily), I don't want to see concrete and steel canyons. I want to have some sight distance and some grass. I want to stop and talk to the neighbors I pass without having to shout over city traffic. I want to OWN my residence,spend money endlessly on rent or "buy" a condo but still have to abide by the nutty condo association's sense of taste in how the exterior looks. I don't want to depend on my neighbor to not burn the his place and mine down with scented candles, a cigarette, or whatever.

I LOVE working in my yard, gardens, and flowerbeds. I love landscaping it, putting in new paths between the beds and taking out old ones. Landscaping/Xeriscaping- seeing how much I can do with how little water. Mulching and composting, tilling, weeding, mowing. Then I like to sit out there, enoy the breeze and the birds, watch the wildlife, read a book, and drink a frosty one. Its far and away the best stress-reliever that I know other than wrenching on one of my cars.

Which brings up another topic. I like having a garage/workshop where I CAN work on my cars (washing and waxing and all that stuff in the 'detail and wax' forum is nothing to me- I want to overhaul an engine or restore an old car). I drive by condos at the edge of my area with garages so small the owners can't even get a full-size vehicle in them, so some of their new cars have to sit pathetically out on the street. That does strike me as strange and a bit sad- spending 40 grand on a car or truck and letting the weather ruin it or having it hit by drunk driver at 3 AM (saw evidence of that recently). Can't even change their own oil... this is what I don't get.

Yes, those are all just opinions... but that's why I'm willing to keep my HOME in one spot and commute to work if I have to. That was the original question, right?

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In 2004 I sold my house and moved much closer to work, only 2.2 miles away, in an area most people living in the suburbs would consider way too urban. Well you know what, I love my neighborhood now! There are people coming in and flipping houses left and right now because they see the inherent value in a close-in neighborhood. Since I bought before it became trendy, I got it cheap!


It actually sounds not that different from my area. The only problem with my area is that developers are taking lots the size of mine and trying to stuff 10 houses/acre on them. Which is KILLING the cool vibe, not to mention overloading the infrastructure- streets can't handle it. Bike lanes can't handle it. Sewer lines can't handle it (fortunately no major gushers... yet). Water mains are too small. That kind of thing.
 
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One reason I like living in an average apartment - it makes me want to leave! On the weekends, there's no yard for upkeep, no maintenance for me to do and the $ I save on renting something 'nicer' is avaialbe for me to take trips. I spent 13 nights over 3 long weekends in July up in Tuolumne Meadows (high country of Yosemite). Way better than mowing a lawn!

I ride my bike 1.5 miles to work currently. If I could find a better place farther away (same city, though), I'd move and commute via car, but everything is so overpriced here its pathetic.

I work and rent for my weekends!
 
I've done 2 hrs or so per day of commuting for 10 years now. I'd freak out if I had a normal routine. I'm an archaeologist working for the govt. I've tended to work where there are large areas of govt-owned land. Those places are typically rural. My wife's a doctor in the best practice in her specialty in our city. No way she's giving it up to be Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman.

Bad thing is yeah, the money spent on gas sucks. When I first started doing the long commute thing, I was paying $1.30 a gallon. Now, and with buying premium, I'm nipping $4. It's both a direct draw on income and prevents me from buying the cars I want without a guilty conscience... We could afford it but it's just pi**ing away money. Maybe one day I'll just open up a quick lube...
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
I LOVE working in my yard, gardens, and flowerbeds. I love landscaping it, putting in new paths between the beds and taking out old ones. Landscaping/Xeriscaping- seeing how much I can do with how little water. Mulching and composting, tilling, weeding, mowing. Then I like to sit out there, enoy the breeze and the birds, watch the wildlife, read a book, and drink a frosty one. Its far and away the best stress-reliever that I know other than wrenching on one of my cars.


I don't think I could agree any MORE with what you said. Owning a home in a real community with neighbors and block parties and the smell of fresh cut grass on the weekend with some burgers or dogs on the Weber...life doesn't get much better than that, at least to me it doesn't.

We don't abide by association rules or pay association fees. We don't worry about the smoker in the next unit who will set the whole building a'light (that happens all too often around here). We don't hear the drummer next door or the crying baby or the drunken spousal fights.

What we DO do is we plant trees that we enjoy. We plant grass and flowers that we enjoy. We build a shed in the backyard and a swingset for the kids. We build a covered patio and entertain friends and neighbors. We perform our own DIY maintenance and help each other on big projects (like the lift on my neighbor's Jeep). And at the end of the day, especially on a weekend day, we relax outside and listen to the crickets and toads and cicada bugs and enjoy the sunset.

And the price I have to pay for all of this is a 30 minute drive to and from work? I'll stay signed up for that forever.
 
I'm with 440Magnum on this. That's exactly what I want when I get my own house, although I want to keep the yardwork to a minimum. I just don't enjoy it and it's a chore to me. I want a house with a somewhat modest yard....and build a huge garage on it.
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Living in a rural area, to have a decent paying job requires a commute of at least 20 miles. My commute is 40 miles one way Why ?---Good paying job(even after the cost of commuting), "unwinding" time at the end of the day. Most importantly, I really enjoy my job. I am lucky that I work for a GREAT company that genuinely appreciates their employees, and shows it. But I like living where I do, so...commute it is !
 
that is basically it.

You cant control your own destiny with a job anymore, so as long as the commute is tolerable one puts up with it.
I go 25 miles each way, mostly highway and wife 30 miles.
Tolerable but you log a lot of miles. I suppose one could sell their house and gamble the job will last but no guarantee.

Originally Posted By: Astro14
I'll put it simply: people change jobs more often than they used to, so why change houses with that frequency?

My work location has changed several times in the last 10 years...I can put my family through all the hassle (including potentially setting my spouse up for a long commute to her job)...or I can simply keep the house, and accept a different commute...so far, I've lived between 15 and 350 miles from work...
 
Originally Posted By: dwcopple
I can't understand why with gas prices being what they are and the amount of time added to your day why anyone commutes so far for work.

Because depending on for how long you do it, it may still be cheaper to pay more for gas than to sell your current house and possibly lose a ton of money on it in order to move closer. In addition, making your own commute shorter may lengthen it for your working spouse. And you'll be uprooting kids from their schools, too. All kinds of hassles that need to be considered.
 
My commute has been anywhere from zero to 35 miles each way.

For the few short years we lived "in town" my commute was about 12 miles. When we started the company it was 35 miles, and we moved back to the rural area it was 20 miles. After I sold the business and ran my one man consulting firm it was normally zero miles-it was run directly from my home office.

Now my zero mile commute is winding down, but the winery in which I became half owner is 19 miles from home and I'm usually there every afternoon.

We elected to live the rural lifestyle, and I like the ability to sit on the front porch and not hear airplanes flying over, sirens, fat bald guys on loud motorcycles or pimple faced nitwits with their loud thumping music. I can count the number of cars that pass by each day on both hands, and most of them are people that live further up the road. I can spend a winters afternoon working out in the shop on one of my 4 tractors, or I can put one of the cars on the lift and service it any time I choose. No homeowners association to tell me what I can and can't do, and if I decide I want additional storage space, I'll put up a new shed anywhere on the property that I please. Both my wife and I love gardening and there's nothing better than spending a Sunday morning working in the garden or flowerbeds, and seeing the fruits of our labor.

I can't imagine any reason to ever move back to town. The rural lifestyle has too much to offer. I couldn't stand being in a little house on a postage stamp size lot, or worse in a townhouse or condo where you hear your neighbors snore at night. I like being able to open all the windows in the house on a nice spring day and fill the house with the fragrance of the lilac bushes, or the smell of rain on the way. I like being able to walk out, pick a few items from the garden and have them with dinner. I like being close enough to know my neighbors, yet far enough so that I can't see or hear them, their pets, their children or their homes.

While the city lifestyle may appeal to some, I'll take a bit of a commute in order to live in an area where I can sit on the deck in the evening with my wife and gaze at a black velvet sky filled with stars, and no electric lights anywhere to be seen.
 
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