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Pile them up 300 miles south of me - the higher the better …
Lithium extraction
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Pile them up 300 miles south of me - the higher the better …
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Yes - dig down 30’ and pump concrete !
I used to work in an area where Exxon dumped a million barrels of oil/waste into the ground starting around 100 years ago.
They only recently started a half ass cleanup. I worked in Public works at the time and they started to build a large garage in that area and a few feet down hit oil, That cancelled that build. Also the shoreline with excellent views of NYC was on fire underground and would be still burning if a minor hurricane didn't flood that entire area. Exxon should have to clean up their old messes first before allowed to create more.
As someone who worked in the remediation field out of college I can tell ya that Exxon and others pay a lot of money for the monitoring and if required remediation of various sites around the US. The link below is overwhelming.
https://www.americangeosciences.org...ve-map-hazardous-waste-cleanups-united-states
Everything in the blue circle was owned Standard oil /Exxon and Later sold to IMTT and a few other smaller companies. There is some kind of remediation going on but only in small areas. Some of it is buried under a golf course(former dump) on the NE side about 60ft of fill over it.
I think they are mostly trying to clean up areas that leak into waterways now, Hurricane Sandy flooded neighborhoods nearby and left a oil ring on the buildings both inside and out. A proper cleanup would probably bankrupt them.
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Ya, sometimes it's better to contain and monitor rather than remove. Removal and subsequent disposal have their own set of problem which must be solved.
I used to do testing around sites (Superfund or Oil/Chemical) in SE TX and Louisiana.
People are like locusts. I find it hilarious when some try to pretend otherwise.
Blades are retired at 80% strength, I had access to a water jet and they can easily be cut into anything you want once retired . They are so long you can cut them into pilons or “boards “ of any size. Europe is starting to use windmill parts for leantwos and “modern” enclosures.
At retirement As strong as steel in certain ways , these things could be made into low effort pilon style docks, or fiberglass rollaway docks.
Extremely thick Fiberglass works quite well as a dock.
Too bad our country is terrified of reusing anything.
There have been open pit mines in those countries for over 100 years.
What is new is that the Chinese cellular companies are buying up mines (even in our own country)
Needless to say the Chinese deeply care about their foreign workers and totally are the best to work for, right?
Thankfully despite this the number of “artisanal mines” is going down every year and EVs are completely eliminating the need for these mines by changing battery chemistries.
TSLA overseas cars use no cadmium or cobalt , they are launching the same batteries here.
Other companies have developed sodium batteries that get their minerals from the ocean.
Give it a few years and no EVs will use obsolete LION batteries the terrible mines will go back to supplying industrial, aerospace, corporate and ICE cat converters, stainless manufactures as they always have.
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I think they are more concerned about a small plastic straw that we use to drink a soda pop with, than a "Clean energy" device like that. I say, pulverize them and turn them into fuel to burn.
#2,4,5,6 and a few 7’s can be cleanly converted to diesel for under a buck a gallon.I think they are more concerned about a small plastic straw that we use to drink a soda pop with, than a "Clean energy" device like that. I say, pulverize them and turn them into fuel to burn.
Just takes an airtight chamber, 500 degrees and a sill.
Only pollution is carbon black, co2 and methane
Makes far more sense than our recycling schemes and the plastic can be contaminated without issue
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The sodium batteries have much lower energy density, that's why the sold state batteries currently being researched are still using lithium. Lithium is extremely challenging to replace, due to the reason it was selected in the first place: It's the best element for the role.
Sodium is in production but is about as mature as Lion was 25 years ago, I expect it to peak around 400wthr density
So currently available Sodium is lower density than certain lithium chemistries but not that much lower. I was already looking at commercially available sodium batteries to replace FLA golf cart Deepcycles but couldnt get volume/price for an individual
Nissans 24kwhr lithium battery is similar “dressed” energy density as the better sodium cells.
Some of the chemistries can be flatlined and overcharged and tolerate heat better which removes heavy armor and cooling and most importantly cost compared to lithium.
Given the choice between a battery that is inexpensive and doesn’t require expensive monitoring and charging that weighs a little more and one that is extremely sensitive driving special equipment, I would take the heavier battery.
Lithium also isn’t the main problem
It’s literally everything else in lithium ion batteries
Cobalt, zinc, cadmium, nickel, etc.
More importantly,
Grid sized storage has been going online for 10 years now, Lithium has no place in grid storage and grid takes a not insignificant amount of lithium production.
Salt would remove a lot of the problems with grid level storage and power walls.
Most of the anti EV imagery was focused rightly on cobalt mines,
now most is focused on copper mines they are saying is a lithium mines because cobalt is becoming less necessary for EV production.
The “mine” in question is a brine mine which is about as far from an open pit as you can get and has far fewer environmental dangers.
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It's crazy how expensive it is. "Minor" projects like simple air monitoring and recording for 8 hours, 5 days a week on an excel sheet for a couple years is an easy $2mil coming out of the tax payer's pockets. Some of the small MGP sites here that are the size of a small elementry is $30mil to completely remediate.
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This article lays out some of the limitations of the sodium ion batteries when compared to lithium ion:
https://www.howtogeek.com/857572/what-are-sodium-ion-batteries-and-could-they-replace-lithium/
They specifically compare to lithium iron phosphate batteries as well, which is where, right now, the chemistry looks like they'll be comparable/competing.
Current density is ~125Wh/kg, while most lithium ion is above 250Wh/kg. There is of course some variation. Yes, expectation is that they will hit 200Wh/kg in the next gen cells, but I'll be reserving judgement until we see some more widespread adoption and progress on this front.
For me, it would depend on the application.
Yes, though lithium is the key reason for the fire risk. Lithium-based is also, as I noted, currently what is being pursued for solid state, so I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon.
Oh, I agree, the choice of lithium-based batteries, whether lithium ion, lithium iron phosphate...etc, is absolutely idiotic for use in grid storage systems. Grid storage should be cheap, and long-lived, neither of which is satisfied by the various lithium chemistries. PHES is obviously superior in this area, given the lifespan of hydro assets, but is obviously geographically constrained. There are some low density battery chemistries currently being proposed or developed that claim to offer much longer lifespans, will be interesting to see where they land cost-wise.
Welcome to the world of nuclear! We have mines of all types and for all materials cast as "uranium mines" and vocally denigrated/condemned.
